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If they do it will be because their plans are not finalised and they could not give a new manager answers at this point. In which case what about their customers who are paying for a team on hold?


its this kinda imagination. total random thoughts that are presented as fact.

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It has to be 4th, why should we settle for anything less? Without UCL we cant attract the best players in the world as we should be. The longer we are out, the harder it will be to get back.


We shouldn't be anywhere. You have to earn fourth spot, people don't seem to realise we aren't the successful club we once were.

It makes me smile that the same people who keep calling us a "mid-table club" are the same people who keep demanding that we should be at the top of the table. Contradiction much?


That isn't a 'contradiction'!? Dalglish has turned us into a mid-table club when we should be much higher in the league. That just says Dalglish is a poor manager. Dictionary "much"?

The people calling us a mid-table side are telling us that we need to get used to it, and that we won't be getting near the top any time soon, yet they expect to be there. That IS a contradiction. Also, Dalglish didn't turn us into a "mid-table side". We were 12th when he took over - and that was after slightly climbing from the relegation places... but whatever helps you sleep at night.


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Yeh Bar you would have thought they'd be content with Kenny keeping us up due to our mediocrity.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I think it’s fair to say very few Liverpool fans are happy with the current status of the club. People are divided on whether Kenny should stay or go this close season the pro Kenny group I might suggest are mainly in the doubter camp but prepared to give him another season.

This is why I believe this close season is the appropriate time.

Firstly my judgement is that he was not the owners choice initially he was forced upon them by circumstances prevailing at that time and to a certain extent for PR reasons.

The standards we have achieved are not those expected of Liverpool football club nor have the very expensive (above market value) signings delivered and at least half look like they never will.

Were we to persist with Dalglish what would be the situation if say by the January transfer window we appeared to be heading once again for 7th / 8th position? That could result in an unseemly rush to appoint a new manager and done in haste as was the last two appointments.

For the sake of Dalglish we would avoid the very unpleasant and undignified (for the club) sight of fans protesting (at worst) or very unpleasant situation (at best).

The solution is clear Kenny to voluntarily resign at the end of this season.

If you don’t believe the above is appropriate at this stage then give us the reasons why. Respect for the man is not an answer it should be based around progress of the club which is surely what we all care about most.


There are many reasons to get rid of a manager at any club at any time but we must look at certain aspects.FSG have also a key role to play here in that what targets were set and what is the timescale for these targets to be acheived. They currently have spent a modest sum over three transfer windows 37mil or 12.3mil per window is not particulary on the man city scale of things which suggests the project is very much long term. Players selected and bought have been younger and hungrier than those departed although arguably not better(yet).

Therefore the clamber to get rid of one man seems unlikely as the cost of compensation to Kenny and his staff is high(8.5ml to Hodgson and he is one man). The new manager would inherit a younger side but one whos value colectively does not currently represent the outlay last year. So any new manager would want new staff, more funds and plenty of time to change the team. Isn't that what we did last year with Kenny?

I sense that FSG want a return but they are not busy fools either, every penny will be spent with an eye on it's long term value. FSG since the takeover have moved slowly but decisively at each step and certainly been adverse to making knee jerk decisions. There is as shown the other night massive support behind Kenny from players and fans so FSG would have to feel a real need to change - the argument of transfer flops aimed at Kenny has started to alleviate as Henderson and inparticular Carroll have shown real promise in recent weeks and look good players.

The burning question is whether a new manager would firstly be satisfied in managing a club on a modest budget with high ambitions and a relatively young squad? I would suggest we are in the Martinez/Rodgers area rather than the Mourinho/Guardiola area. So FSG must ask themsleves do they want to gamble on a new manager, new staff, possible clearout again. All evidence would suggest no, unless FSG want to really go full steam akin to Man City.

My view is clear, Dalglish is the right man for at least another year. The summer will offer few arrivals and departures and thus alow the club to truly prepare for next season. So to just get rid might initially make some fans feel better there is no real logic to it.

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CP1972 as always your posts are very well thought out and make a lot of sense. What you have said relates to my post a week or so ago which is that FSG are in transition for the long term future of the club including the stadium they are still making their minds up. This is not a good time to get a new manager in especially a big name Mourinho etc. I know the Mirror is a rag but something on the back pages today which was that Dalglish stays but with a small or no transfer budget. It looks more and more like FSG are going to hold next season and let Dalglish run out his contract. If he can get it to work then great if not then even the most fanatical Kenny men will see the inevitable. But how does this leave the fans especially those wondering whether to renew season tickets at probably £900 to watch a graveyard team just holding out time until the year is up?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
CP1972 as always your posts are very well thought out and make a lot of sense. What you have said relates to my post a week or so ago which is that FSG are in transition for the long term future of the club including the stadium they are still making their minds up. This is not a good time to get a new manager in especially a big name Mourinho etc. I know the Mirror is a rag but something on the back pages today which was that Dalglish stays but with a small or no transfer budget. It looks more and more like FSG are going to hold next season and let Dalglish run out his contract. If he can get it to work then great if not then even the most fanatical Kenny men will see the inevitable. But how does this leave the fans especially those wondering whether to renew season tickets at probably £900 to watch a graveyard team just holding out time until the year is up?


Thanks Stan -I think it will not rise to £900 but hover around the £740(kop) mark again, there is no need to antagonise the locals and its not the way of FSG. Dalglish is however in my opinion more than just a steady hand on the tiller and at the very least at the end of his contract he should be handing over a still young but far better and more experienced team and a club with a better feel about it. The timing could not be better for any potential successor as I think a new stadium will greet them and the riches it would bring could turn any manager's head.
The budget this year will depend on sales, 10-15mil+ 15mil sales should offer a budget around the 30mil mark. I would only look to buy 2 and a free of some sort. Next seasons success would then fall very much into the hands of this seasons buys.

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Originally Posted By: cp1972
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I think it’s fair to say very few Liverpool fans are happy with the current status of the club. People are divided on whether Kenny should stay or go this close season the pro Kenny group I might suggest are mainly in the doubter camp but prepared to give him another season.

This is why I believe this close season is the appropriate time.

Firstly my judgement is that he was not the owners choice initially he was forced upon them by circumstances prevailing at that time and to a certain extent for PR reasons.

The standards we have achieved are not those expected of Liverpool football club nor have the very expensive (above market value) signings delivered and at least half look like they never will.

Were we to persist with Dalglish what would be the situation if say by the January transfer window we appeared to be heading once again for 7th / 8th position? That could result in an unseemly rush to appoint a new manager and done in haste as was the last two appointments.

For the sake of Dalglish we would avoid the very unpleasant and undignified (for the club) sight of fans protesting (at worst) or very unpleasant situation (at best).

The solution is clear Kenny to voluntarily resign at the end of this season.

If you don’t believe the above is appropriate at this stage then give us the reasons why. Respect for the man is not an answer it should be based around progress of the club which is surely what we all care about most.


There are many reasons to get rid of a manager at any club at any time but we must look at certain aspects.FSG have also a key role to play here in that what targets were set and what is the timescale for these targets to be acheived. They currently have spent a modest sum over three transfer windows 37mil or 12.3mil per window is not particulary on the man city scale of things which suggests the project is very much long term. Players selected and bought have been younger and hungrier than those departed although arguably not better(yet).

Therefore the clamber to get rid of one man seems unlikely as the cost of compensation to Kenny and his staff is high(8.5ml to Hodgson and he is one man). The new manager would inherit a younger side but one whos value colectively does not currently represent the outlay last year. So any new manager would want new staff, more funds and plenty of time to change the team. Isn't that what we did last year with Kenny?

I sense that FSG want a return but they are not busy fools either, every penny will be spent with an eye on it's long term value. FSG since the takeover have moved slowly but decisively at each step and certainly been adverse to making knee jerk decisions. There is as shown the other night massive support behind Kenny from players and fans so FSG would have to feel a real need to change - the argument of transfer flops aimed at Kenny has started to alleviate as Henderson and inparticular Carroll have shown real promise in recent weeks and look good players.

The burning question is whether a new manager would firstly be satisfied in managing a club on a modest budget with high ambitions and a relatively young squad? I would suggest we are in the Martinez/Rodgers area rather than the Mourinho/Guardiola area. So FSG must ask themsleves do they want to gamble on a new manager, new staff, possible clearout again. All evidence would suggest no, unless FSG want to really go full steam akin to Man City.

My view is clear, Dalglish is the right man for at least another year. The summer will offer few arrivals and departures and thus alow the club to truly prepare for next season. So to just get rid might initially make some fans feel better there is no real logic to it.


It's not just about 'getting rid' for the sake of it though...

A lot of your post is based on ifs and buts and whilst very thoroughly thought out you are over complicating things. The bottom is as follows:

Last season we finished 7th....
Kenny was given a fortune to spend with a target of finishing in the top 4...
We're in 8th...

If it takes Kenny £115m to take us backwards how much will it cost to take us forwards??? He is clearly out of his depth and the only hope we have of moving up the table is with a new manager who knows what he's doing. Surely it's better to spend a few million to pay off dalglish and bring in someone more competent than it is to keep chucking money at a problem in the hope he goes against the grain and moves us forward? Time will tell, but I'll be astonished if Kenny is managing us next year.

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Such as who? Who are you going to bring in?

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I so hope you are right CareeX. I am giving things a lot of thought this May but if Dalglish remains in charge I might not bother to renew and just go to 2 to 3 games a year at Anfield. I am really cheesed off with this situation. However I feel he WILL be in charge next season. Its a nightmare.


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