KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Excellent article about Lucas...

There's a fine line between negative & realistic, but no finer than the line between positive & deluded.

Couldn't agree more re: Alonso - apart from the season he played his heart out to get a move to madrid he was only really good for one other season.
Yes, Lucas has been missed because it has meant Spearing has had to play and for want of a better phrase, he is spectacularly vanilla. My original argument re: Lucas (which re-emerged in this thread) was because people were using his absence (our bad luck 'again') as some kind of defence to keep kenny in charge for another year. He 'can' be very useful for us (not all the time) but his presence would not have made enough difference to finish in 4th which was kenny's target.

Misremember: 'a polite variation on "forget"'........i think.

This is not a comment about Lucas per se....but we've got to be able do win games without always having our best players available. Utd have been missing cleverly and vidic Nani etc at stages and guess what they're top of the pile. We don't seem to be able to cope without agger, lucas, luis +/- SG.....

I got a fair bit of abuse for taking his name at the beginning! Glad he's coming around and great article Bar. Insua looks a player these days as well but wasn't given the opportunity to develop. Think Henderson going to be the very same btw. He's going to be a top player.

Based on 'what' exactly?

To be honest, I saw that picture on facebook yesterday, and it reminded me of this forum, and in particular, you.

The truth is, I've grown kinda tired lately responding and trying to reason with nonsense. Some of your replies certainly fall into that category. You can't try and force logic into people who haven't got it in them to host it.

You probably actually have got some positive thoughts - you just choose not to share them on this forum, and instead just save your comments for all the negative ones. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you do just have negative thoughts.

Based on the fact he's only 20 right now. Lad has a lot of time to develop into a top footballer. Already got a great engine, good touch and determination. He's a great trainer as well so he's willing to put the work in to get better. Unfortunately some of our fans have already decided he's not good enough. Reminds of a certain midfielder we're missing now?!

can we please stop the comparison of lucas to those 3.

I don't think he was comparing Lucas to those 3 as such, just comparing the situtation - ie: as a lesson for some people to learn. No, not all players who have slow starts will go on to be important players, but there is undoubtedly a lesson to be learned from the Lucas case.

-Lots of people are 20 right now it doesn't mean they'll become top footballers
-Great engine - as far as I'm aware he hasn't completed a 90 minute game for us yet so I'm not sure where you get that from
-good touch - not true, his control is very average
determination...determined to do what? avoid getting near the ball??
-great trainer - how on earth do you know?!?
-similar to a certain midfileder we are missing?? I hope you don't mean Lucas because he was the brazilian footballer of the year when we bought him - JH was sunderland's best youngster - chalk & cheese.

I'm not having a go at you as such, but some people just regurgitate cliches and things they have heard without putting any thought into what they are talking about.