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I don't think Rafa would necessarily fail... but I do think, all other things being equal and assuming a decent budget, Mourinho would have a better chance of succeeding because:
- his credibility is still very much in tact. No player can question his approach in public and be taken seriously.
- similarly no other PL manager can 'dis' him. They'll all have to be very careful what they say as they know that if they take the wrong line with Mourinho he'll give it back to them with both barrells.
- and the press too. Mourinho has the authority and charisma to overcome any malicious bias in the press.
Rafa on the otherhand, whilst he may be a tactical genious, will suffer as follows:
- his man management is questionable. He somehow winds up even his own signings. Alonso, Riera, Benayoun to name a few. Even Gerrard shaking his head at substitutions and, along with Carragher, was apparently not happy and disruptive behind the scenes. They couldn't get away with this under Mourinho.
- fellow PL managers led by Fergie and his sidekicks will run their orchestrated campaign of disrespect and character assasination.
- the media will be out to get him from day 1 and will also show Rafa little respect. Even the likes of Jamie Redknapp who's supposed to be 'one of us'.
So at the first sign of poor form, or a dud signing, Rafa's gonna get it from all angles. That's even before we mention those amongst us who'll say 'we told you so'... and 'Rafa out'. He'll have to hit the ground running to succeed and given the squad he'll inherit that's very unlikely.
Mourinho will have a much longer honeymoon period with everyone cutting him some slack for much longer. Hence, much as I like Rafa and prefer his character, the odds for Mourinho succeeding are better than those for Rafa.
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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Which would point at Villas Boas. Who is CLEARLY more available than Mourinho.
But I think our fans would just have to buck their ideas up and be patient if we did, in time he'd be molded into "the next Mourinho" Chelsea didn't deserve him, neither do they Benitez.
Problem is, a minority of our fans CANT be patient and the media are already on Villas Boas' back.
But it's that, that I think makes AVB VERY DANGEROUS, he has a point to prove, he'll want to prove the witch-hunt media wrong AND show Chelsea and Abramovich they f*cked up. Majorly.
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Rafa's name will be chanted by Liverpool fans forever, however why do we alway's look back? We always want people from the past, we never move on.
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Rafa DID fail in his main objective to return the Premiership title to Liverpool. He failed for six seasons... and didn't seem to want to learn from his mistakes. If you're going to crucify Kenny for failing in the league in his first full season... then the logic to return to Rafa doesn't make sense at all.
If Kenny is forced out then Liverpool have to move on to pastures new and get a dynamic new manager with new ideas and impetus. Rafa has too much baggage and his reputation as one of Europe's top managers has waned.
Yes, the next appointment is crucial.... and it is crucial that we move forward. forward is the way not another back to the future episode
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it will mean another 10-15 years of nothing....or if done right, 10-15 years of SOMETHING!
The answer is Jose Mourinho, whether you like it or not No doubting the affect Mourinho has on clubs but he's a short time manager and usually only lasts 3-4 years which are normally great successes but look at the mess he leaves clubs in. Porto struggled, chelsea struggled and Inter struggled. If you are worried about the club in 10-15 years then maybe Mourinho isn't the answer? If we want a short term answer lets go give him what he wants!
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Id love Jose, but how about capello or ancellotti (not sure they're available?)
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Of course the next appointment is crucial but the last manager appointment was also crucial and look how that turned out
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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it will mean another 10-15 years of nothing....or if done right, 10-15 years of SOMETHING!
The answer is Jose Mourinho, whether you like it or not No doubting the affect Mourinho has on clubs but he's a short time manager and usually only lasts 3-4 years which are normally great successes but look at the mess he leaves clubs in. Porto struggled, chelsea struggled and Inter struggled. If you are worried about the club in 10-15 years then maybe Mourinho isn't the answer? If we want a short term answer lets go give him what he wants! Every club has sticky patches, it's about how quick and well you come out of them. We struggle. I think differently with Mourinho, if he managed us, he'd be obsessed with knocking United of their perch, EXACTLY like when Fergie first went to United. I don't think it would be 3-4 years with us. If he was here, it'd be different, your looking Fergie's years of stay with United. If it was AVB, then you can increase that stay BUT ONLY IF this "minority" buck their ideas and get behind the team and support the manager all the way. Because at first it would be a rocky ride, maybe even rockier than the current predicament we're in, if we go for AVB.
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Appointing Maureen who send out a clear message that we are here to win no less the man is a winner like it or not I think he may be the one to bring us the PL but he is going to Chelski. Rafa is a no for me I respect and appreciate what he has done but a return no thanks
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Of course the next appointment is crucial but the last manager appointment was also crucial and look how that turned out It was crucial when Benitez left, it should have been Dalglish then, it wasn't. It was Hodgson and as far as I'm concerned Kenny has dragged us out of the dirt we were in, that was his most important job....whether he can take us any further, we'll have to wait and see, but there is also a chance we might start to decline again....if that's the case, then it's crucial when/if Dalglish steps aside (preferably back into the Academy) this time the perfect option is brought in.
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