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First though, I'd like to touch on Rafa.
I admire Rafa, I respect him as a man and a manager, he's probably the most obsessed with football - football manager out there. Just listening to him and looking on his website, shows just how wise the man is....you can quite easily be in awe of the man. But he is not the man for this "project" now, At first, it would be like the return of The King if he came back, but in the end, it would turn out like what we are seeing now.
I can see why people cling onto Rafa, I can see why some people even want him back! But he is not the man this time guys! He's just not! As much as someone of you might want it to be, he's not! I'm sorry. I don't have belief that he can come back, with this exact team, with this exact flat-lining momentum and get us straight back in at the top and in Europe. It took Rafa 4 years to get a decent squad together (bad owners or not) Rafa started out with Houllier's team and lets be honest, he worked miracles with it to...when we was already in Europe!...we're trying to get back into it....is he the man?
The next appointment is ABSOLUTELY CRITICALLY CRUCIAL (I cannot stress that enough) because it will either mean appointing Rafa again, a O'Neil, a Rodgers or maybe even some "nobody" foreign manager from abroad, but it will mean another 10-15 years of this, what we are seeing now an have seen for YEARS! Yes, we might win the odd cup, but it just won't make up for terrible performances in the league, every year.
After a few years, the managers head is called! The fans want em' out! They look for just about every reason to jump on the mans back! If we appoint any of the normal customary 5-10 mangers people are providing as a replacement for Kenny, the same will happen again....we've seen it.
We can't afford this anymore guys, we need to change now. We need to learn from our mistakes, we're like a classic Ferrari car, but at the moment in dire need of a refurbishment and a shinny look again....we're in a bad state and starting to look like a worn out banger as a club...looking for another little banger we thought we once had, to replace the faltering banger we've got, for our fix....and we're doing it out of sentiment and love, and It's holding us back. We need to buy a new car!
We will find out just how serious the new owners are with the next appointment, because like I say, it will mean another 10-15 years of nothing....or if done right, 10-15 years of SOMETHING!
The answer is Jose Mourinho, whether you like it or not (and I struggle to like it, believe you me!).....and if not Mourinho, we have to mold Villas Boas into that sort of prolific winner. We either get a ready made meal in Mourinho, or we make it home made in AVB!....which could lead to prolonged transition and uncertainty if home made.
That's why we need to send a STRONG message out (all of this is IF Dalglish steps aside remember...) if we bring Rafa back, what message does that send out?....if anything people will laugh at us for going back again.....and deep down you know it, even if you don't you don't care what they think/say.
If we was to bring in Mourinho, what message does that send out? You already know for a FACT, managers around the league would be shitting themselves if it happened! No more than red-nose at old toilet, because THEY KNOW he brings success and has their number.
But then people will say, getting Mourinho is impossible...."to much money", "he won't leave Real" etc etc etc....It's only impossible, if we think it is....and the owners look at other managers, instead of going all out for the top dog!
Mourinho would be easier to get than you think, it's the Premier League, it's Mourinho. The only stumbling block for me, is Abramovich, will he fall on his knees and beg for Mourinho to go back? Will Mourinho sell out and accept it?
Oh yes, and just one more thing, about the media. Don't pay attention to the media slating us all over the newspapers and on talkSHIT, because of our "media relations" SO F*CKING WHAT!!!!
The media want us to bow down to them, and sell out to them? So we can be like Harry Redknapp FC and all "I'll wash your back, if you wash mine, babe" and can be heavily influenced from the outside! Like we've already seen at Chelsea and even the England National Team....once the media dig their claws into them....they effect it. We don't want to turn into a club where the media can control and pull the strings, even though they have no stand within the club.
If we want to change our media relations WE'LL f*cking do it.....we won't be told to do it by the media itself, because we'll play into their hands if we do.
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First though, I'd like to touch on Rafa.
I admire Rafa, I respect him as a man and a manager, he's probably the most obsessed with football - football manager out there. Just listening to him and looking on his website, shows just how wise the man is....you can quite easily be in awe of the man. But he is not the man for this "project" now, At first, it would be like the return of The King if he came back, but in the end, it would turn out like what we are seeing now.
I can see why people cling onto Rafa, I can see why some people even want him back! But he is not the man this time guys! He's just not! As much as someone of you might want it to be, he's not! I'm sorry. I don't have belief that he can come back, with this exact team, with this exact flat-lining momentum and get us straight back in at the top and in Europe. It took Rafa 4 years to get a decent squad together (bad owners or not) Rafa started out with Houllier's team and lets be honest, he worked miracles with it to...when we was already in Europe!...we're trying to get back into it....is he the man?
The next appointment is ABSOLUTELY CRITICALLY CRUCIAL (I cannot stress that enough) because it will either mean appointing Rafa again, a O'Neil, a Rodgers or maybe even some "nobody" foreign manager from abroad, but it will mean another 10-15 years of this, what we are seeing now an have seen for YEARS! Yes, we might win the odd cup, but it just won't make up for terrible performances in the league, every year.
After a few years, the managers head is called! The fans want em' out! They look for just about every reason to jump on the mans back! If we appoint any of the normal customary 5-10 mangers people are providing as a replacement for Kenny, the same will happen again....we've seen it.
We can't afford this anymore guys, we need to change now. We need to learn from our mistakes, we're like a classic Ferrari car, but at the moment in dire need of a refurbishment and a shinny look again....we're in a bad state and starting to look like a worn out banger as a club...looking for another little banger we thought we once had, to replace the faltering banger we've got, for our fix....and we're doing it out of sentiment and love, and It's holding us back. We need to buy a new car!
We will find out just how serious the new owners are with the next appointment, because like I say, it will mean another 10-15 years of nothing....or if done right, 10-15 years of SOMETHING!
The answer is Jose Mourinho, whether you like it or not (and I struggle to like it, believe you me!).....and if not Mourinho, we have to mold Villas Boas into that sort of prolific winner. We either get a ready made meal in Mourinho, or we make it home made in AVB!....which could lead to prolonged transition and uncertainty if home made.
That's why we need to send a STRONG message out (all of this is IF Dalglish steps aside remember...) if we bring Rafa back, what message does that send out?....if anything people will laugh at us for going back again.....and deep down you know it, even if you don't you don't care what they think/say.
If we was to bring in Mourinho, what message does that send out? You already know for a FACT, managers around the league would be shitting themselves if it happened! No more than red-nose at old toilet, because THEY KNOW he brings success and has their number.
But then people will say, getting Mourinho is impossible...."to much money", "he won't leave Real" etc etc etc....It's only impossible, if we think it is....and the owners look at other managers, instead of going all out for the top dog!
Mourinho would be easier to get than you think, it's the Premier League, it's Mourinho. The only stumbling block for me, is Abramovich, will he fall on his knees and beg for Mourinho to go back? Will Mourinho sell out and accept it?
Oh yes, and just one more thing, about the media. Don't pay attention to the media slating us all over the newspapers and on talkSHIT, because of our "media relations" SO F*CKING WHAT!!!!
The media want us to bow down to them, and sell out to them? So we can be like Harry Redknapp FC and all "I'll wash your back, if you wash mine, babe" and can be heavily influenced from the outside! Like we've already seen at Chelsea and even the England National Team....once the media dig their claws into them....they effect it. We don't want to turn into a club where the media can control and pull the strings, even though they have no stand within the club.
If we want to change our media relations WE'LL f*cking do it.....we won't be told to do it by the media itself, because we'll play into their hands if we do.
Do you want that? A very passionate write up but with gaping holes. You mention that Rafa WILL fail and that he is NOT the man for the job but you don't offer any reasoning behind your damning declaration. If Rafa came back and took us back who would care what rival fans were saying?? And what was with the rant about the media!? Are you one of those media conspiracy theorists that think for some unknown reason every tv channel, newspaper, magazine and radio show have got it in for us??? One question, what is their motive?
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First though, I'd like to touch on Rafa.
I admire Rafa, I respect him as a man and a manager, he's probably the most obsessed with football - football manager out there. Just listening to him and looking on his website, shows just how wise the man is....you can quite easily be in awe of the man. But he is not the man for this "project" now, At first, it would be like the return of The King if he came back, but in the end, it would turn out like what we are seeing now.
I can see why people cling onto Rafa, I can see why some people even want him back! But he is not the man this time guys! He's just not! As much as someone of you might want it to be, he's not! I'm sorry. I don't have belief that he can come back, with this exact team, with this exact flat-lining momentum and get us straight back in at the top and in Europe. It took Rafa 4 years to get a decent squad together (bad owners or not) Rafa started out with Houllier's team and lets be honest, he worked miracles with it to...when we was already in Europe!...we're trying to get back into it....is he the man?
The next appointment is ABSOLUTELY CRITICALLY CRUCIAL (I cannot stress that enough) because it will either mean appointing Rafa again, a O'Neil, a Rodgers or maybe even some "nobody" foreign manager from abroad, but it will mean another 10-15 years of this, what we are seeing now an have seen for YEARS! Yes, we might win the odd cup, but it just won't make up for terrible performances in the league, every year.
After a few years, the managers head is called! The fans want em' out! They look for just about every reason to jump on the mans back! If we appoint any of the normal customary 5-10 mangers people are providing as a replacement for Kenny, the same will happen again....we've seen it.
We can't afford this anymore guys, we need to change now. We need to learn from our mistakes, we're like a classic Ferrari car, but at the moment in dire need of a refurbishment and a shinny look again....we're in a bad state and starting to look like a worn out banger as a club...looking for another little banger we thought we once had, to replace the faltering banger we've got, for our fix....and we're doing it out of sentiment and love, and It's holding us back. We need to buy a new car!
We will find out just how serious the new owners are with the next appointment, because like I say, it will mean another 10-15 years of nothing....or if done right, 10-15 years of SOMETHING!
The answer is Jose Mourinho, whether you like it or not (and I struggle to like it, believe you me!).....and if not Mourinho, we have to mold Villas Boas into that sort of prolific winner. We either get a ready made meal in Mourinho, or we make it home made in AVB!....which could lead to prolonged transition and uncertainty if home made.
That's why we need to send a STRONG message out (all of this is IF Dalglish steps aside remember...) if we bring Rafa back, what message does that send out?....if anything people will laugh at us for going back again.....and deep down you know it, even if you don't you don't care what they think/say.
If we was to bring in Mourinho, what message does that send out? You already know for a FACT, managers around the league would be shitting themselves if it happened! No more than red-nose at old toilet, because THEY KNOW he brings success and has their number.
But then people will say, getting Mourinho is impossible...."to much money", "he won't leave Real" etc etc etc....It's only impossible, if we think it is....and the owners look at other managers, instead of going all out for the top dog!
Mourinho would be easier to get than you think, it's the Premier League, it's Mourinho. The only stumbling block for me, is Abramovich, will he fall on his knees and beg for Mourinho to go back? Will Mourinho sell out and accept it?
Oh yes, and just one more thing, about the media. Don't pay attention to the media slating us all over the newspapers and on talkSHIT, because of our "media relations" SO F*CKING WHAT!!!!
The media want us to bow down to them, and sell out to them? So we can be like Harry Redknapp FC and all "I'll wash your back, if you wash mine, babe" and can be heavily influenced from the outside! Like we've already seen at Chelsea and even the England National Team....once the media dig their claws into them....they effect it. We don't want to turn into a club where the media can control and pull the strings, even though they have no stand within the club.
If we want to change our media relations WE'LL f*cking do it.....we won't be told to do it by the media itself, because we'll play into their hands if we do.
Do you want that? A very passionate write up but with gaping holes. You mention that Rafa WILL fail and that he is NOT the man for the job but you don't offer any reasoning behind your damning declaration. If Rafa came back and took us back who would care what rival fans were saying?? And what was with the rant about the media!? Are you one of those media conspiracy theorists that think for some unknown reason every tv channel, newspaper, magazine and radio show have got it in for us??? One question, what is their motive? Precisely. You just ranted on and on about rafa being destined to fail without giving any substantiated evidence. Tell me, which manager knows the club more than rafa? And which manager is more tactically astute than rafa?
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A very passionate write up but with gaping holes. You mention that Rafa WILL fail and that he is NOT the man for the job but you don't offer any reasoning behind your damning declaration.
If Rafa came back and took us back who would care what rival fans were saying??
And what was with the rant about the media!? Are you one of those media conspiracy theorists that think for some unknown reason every tv channel, newspaper, magazine and radio show have got it in for us??? One question, what is their motive? I think I have explained why I think Rafa would "fail" a second time before, maybe I should have gone into it more depth and extended the post some more....I felt it was dragging on and may get criticized for that. I wouldn't say he'd "fail", that's a strong word to use. He didn't "fail" last time around....it just didn't work out towards the end. I just think he struggled first time around, when the going got tough with the players and they started to look the other way (similar to now...) He done marvelous considering the old regime and the owners, I understand that. But it wasn't the owners on the training pitch was it? Yes we can say he didn't get the players he wanted or the necessary funds to make it possible to get them, but players already at the club became distant and whatever way you look at it, he was in "control" of that area, wasn't he? I still think the man is a tactician magician and maybe the break he has had with taking a step back from football and looking at it all from a different angle, may effect how he manages in his next job. He may see where he went wrong....and put all of that right! Everybody deserves a second chance where they don't quite think they got it right first time around, you should be encouraged to mend your "mistakes" But does Rafa think he didn't get right first time around? I doubt that, brilliant man and all, but he blows his own trumpet....even if it belts out a nice tune. I just think we should learn from our mistake now (if Dalglish does go) we can't really get anyone else in that means more to us, can we?....and even that is starting to die, the respect, never, that remains, but the faith in getting us back to the top, is dwindling. We're been there now, tried it, it didn't work out the way we wanted it or thought it would, shame, we move on. I think Rafa would end up being more of the same, as what we're seeing now, if he came back. Nice at first, but it'd go sour on the pitch, even with better owners. That's just my opinion though. But don't get me wrong, he would be an option available should Dalglish step away....and I think Dalglish would play a key part in that, IF Rafa returned for a second bite of the cherry. As for the media, it's the hidden agenda's I don't like. We've already learned that over the years and it clearly is a monopoly, where one way or another, somewhere along the line, it all goes back to the same few at the top. The best journalists are neutral and stay truthful, yet offer their own expertise and view. What we have now, in this modern day, is a lot of regurgitated stuff, spat out by every paper and outlet, to fulfill their own needs....they are all cuts from the same cloth. It's this agenda I don't like and when you have something like talkSPORT (which promotes one particular rag we stand against) fronted by people like Adrian Durham and Mark Saggers (who exist only to get people to bite...and are taught to do so) telling me that our club's media relations need to change, so we can suddenly become like the "media god" Harry Redknapp at Spurs, no thank you! If LFC feel that they need that to change media "relations", they will! I myself cringe at some of Kenny's interviews, but I don't need some outside devil to tell me that for me, do I? It's no conspiracy at all, this is what happens and has happened, can't you see? Perhaps your belly's to full and you love listening to talkSPORT and buying the newspapers, and will defend them because of your affinity to the area. But me personally, I stand against it.
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Fair enough.
I've always found most media outlets to be generally impartial though, with no agenda against any particular club. Of course the big clubs get the main stories as it sells more papers but from what I see ALL clubs get dragged through the press at various times if there's a story to be told - there's no smoke without fire.
But even if certain newspaper 'were' against Liverpool, what difference does it make?
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None if you don't pay any intention to it at all.
A lot if you do.
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I agree,I dont think there is an agenda by the media,it is just that they are scum in the majority,Liverpool seem to have the most agressive set of supporters when it comes to defending their club,alot of that stems from the H&G era.
We all know the media need stories to sell,so they will go after what they know will take the biggest bite.
I think the difference that say a newspaper can have is that people can be influenced by it,they can adopt the same opinion as that newspaper instead of forming their own.
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the next manager when appointed must be fresh long term and no baggage unlike benitez has in abundence ,the way it is going sour for dalglish is because dalglish had baggage different to benitez dalglish's baggage was the thought that he would wave a magic wand and all would be well , i a say new fresh and someone for a long term project not another appointment to please the fans .
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