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I am considering standing outside torres house burning my Andy Carroll shirt with a beat box pumping http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_J-6EarL3Y

Using stats of yesteryear is relevant when you take into account 2 stagnant seasons with hicks and gillett controlling the purse strings, a drawn out legal battle and RH. We've moved forward more slowly then our competitors because our competitors didn't have to deal with the drama that we did.

I think Dalglish will be judged at the end of the season, if he qualifies for the Champions League he will be fine but if he does'nt then I fully expect John Henry to do what he said when he came to the Club which was act in the best interests of the Club and sack Dalglish. I think fans on here need to be very careful about this situation, if you like and respect Dalglish the legend then you should want to protect his legacy which means getting him out of the job as soon as possible because the longer he stays, the more his repuation is being tarnished, he is out of his depth massively and it is pityful to watch.

Back again red4life...your hatred for Dalglish is leaving you isolated from reality.

sorry how do you know red4life. you have only been here a few weeks

As much as I love a good cup run I think we need to be pragmatic here and look at the bigger picture. A Carling Cup would be nice in the short-term, and would certainly buy Kenny a little more time, but are we really going to be able to attract Champions League caliber players because we won a tin pot here and there and finished in 6th? The answer, unfortunately, is no. We can't keep trading off of our reputation for much longer. We need to get back into the Champions League, no excuses. Kenny is doing OK right now, but he needs to do better. I'm certainly not calling for his head, because I think it's obvious that the squad is still in a transitional phase, but I think we sometimes let our love and appreciation for the man get in the way of our better judgment. The thing that worries me the most is that very few players, if any, seem to be playing to their potential. For me, the sign of a good manager is getting the most out of your players. Shankly and Paisley were excellent at that (although it was probably easier for Paisley given the fact that we were the best side in the world then!). Rafa, despite being a bit of a cold-hearted [oops], was also good at that. Torres, Masch, Alonso, and Stevie all had probably the best spells of their career under his watch. With the exception of our back 4 (and maybe Lucas, Suarez, and Jonjo, who looks much better), a lot of our players seem to have gone backwards since last year.

How old are you, eight?

For a start Kenny Dalglish will not be sacked, step down maybe, but not sacked; learn your club history.

It is also unlikely that he will even do that regardless of finishing 4th or not. Most negative scenario is that he sees out his contractual term and is not offered an extension.

The rest of you hyperbole is just that 'out of his depth massively' and 'pityful' are terms used for 3rd bottom of the league or a spiral heading that way as in Roy's tenure.

We are still easily in for 4th and I mean from the top end of the table. A striker who can actually score in the window or Carroll finally finding just 1 in 4 would see us walk it.

why wont he get the sack is he immune from the sack ? if he doesnt produce the goods he will get sacked , if he produces the goods he wont .

Ofcorse Dalglish can be sacked, you talk about history well your living back in historic times if you actualy believe Dalglish cannot be sacked, you must think Peter Robinson and John Smith are still in charge. We are under a cold hearted business man now who has earned his money by being ruthless and not taking into consideration a person who was good for the Club a quarter of a century ago, do you honestly think he would let history and sentiment get in the way if the manager is under performing and losing the Club money after the outlay he has given him since he has been in charge, absolutely ludicrous. Did'nt Henry get shut of the manager that led his redsox team to the world series twice in there history, if Dalglish delivered the league once our fans would demand he be given a job for life even if we fought relegation for the next 20 years.

Good point Faz thats the rules. But I get the impression the new owners are very commercial too commercial. Kenny is a bit of a figurehead for them and the fans hollywood choice. Therefore for now he is a bit immune however sooner or later events off the field will dictate and they will get rid of him. By then things will have run their course and the fans will have had their fling with the legend and blame cannot be attributed to the owners. In which time the club will have stood still for 3 years. I may be wrong in this but thats the impression I am getting the owners did not take command of events in 2010 and should have appointed their own man not caved in to fan pressure. The fans all think they are experts the truth is we are not and we also do not all think as one. The whole thing is a total mess.