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5 points off 4th and not even christmas

5 points off fourth happy days ! Lets change the subject Lucas have you finished off all your Christmas shopping yet ? I've still a bit to do but working hard not be be doing it all xmas eve as past years.

What's so goiod about that?

Under Rafa - whose best games tended to be in the Champions League - we were nearly always in a better position than that halfway through the season

Given that Tottenham and Arsenal were about 10pts behind us after the first few games of the season, the fact they are now ahead of us shows that our form in the league has been nothing but disappointing



The tie with City will be good but our success in this competition just reminds me that 2-3 years ago we had bigger fish to fry



That's a definite possitive but it would only be significant if we were ahead of these 2 teams in the table - we're not and don't look likely to be ahead of them again all season



Means nothing as we didn't get the 3pts from either game - so again if anything that's a negative, because despite being better than these two teams (who lets be frank have better players than we do) we still couldn't beat them



He's a great player - one of the best in the EPL - but the big problem now will be keeping him. If he keeps plauyuing the way he doiesa, and we keep getting the resukts we have so far this season i don't think he'll stick around for too long



That's true - we are far more entertaining to watch than when playing under the defensive straightjackets of rafa, Houllier and Hodgson - but I'd still happily trade that for more pts on the board as the only way we can re-establish ourselves as one of the BIG English clubs is not from playing pretty football but by getting back into the Champions League



Stevie Gees been out for so long I don't know we can even call him that any more

all this negativity is crazy. We are miles ahead of where we have been for a couple of years and are playing good football. All this transfer waste is hard to listen to as well. i dont have the figures on hand but think with what we've recouped its not huge. So caroll was crazy and reeked of panic but he's still young. If we blame kenny for 35m pricetag, what about a bit of praise for letting a strker that falls over his feet go for 50m. What about suarez(a snip at 22 ish mill), enrique, bellamy on a free. Think henders can come good too. Jury out on downing. Think off all the full backs and wingers rafa bought(nothing against the man). Think he deserves credit for form of lucas and skrtel, kelly and even johnson. we were never gonna win league and are still in mix for 4th. I'm off out for evening safe and comfortable that we have kenny who loves this club in charge and not villas boas or some other overrated flavour of th month in charge. Rant over

'We are miles ahead of where we have been for a couple of years'

Maybe but people are quick for forget that 2 years prior to that - we had things we can only dream of now - last 16 of CL and challenging for the title - and yet people are getting excited that we're 5pts off 4th or whatever it is

as i said i was a rafa fan at the time and he got time, think kenny deserves a little too, everyone admits we are going in the right direction. Chill out

Given that they both had bad starts to the season, I think 10 points is still an exaggeration. Also, their form has been RIDICULOUSLY good the last 10 games or so. That sort of form is not sustainable by ANY team in the league. All credit to them for doing it, but it'd not entirely fair to criticise our team by comparing it to the outstanding form in the last few games by those teams - that said, I'm not forgetting about the points we've dropped which we shouldn't have.


Too many people are living in the past, and need to move on. We're not in Europe, which elevates this competition for us in terms of importance - and that we can afford to take it seriously because we have less games to play. Today the Premiership is a much tougher league than it was a few years ago.


I disagree with this. I still believe we're capable of catching either team. They're not a million miles ahead of us and they certainly haven't had plain sailing either. Neither team are above any further bad patches.

Bah humbug, no christmas spirit for me. Not when Liverpool are in such a crisis thanks to King Kenny!

Hey fordfocus, I thought you were designed to rev up and move off at high speed, how come you are still parked in that blind spot you found there? You sound like you're not firing on all cylinders there either, and I'd say you've got crossed wire problems as well, considering your exhaust emissions, wrecks like you are bad for the environment, could you just switch yourself off and give us all a breath of fresh air?

Sorry Mr X but I find that sort of talk is the real negativity. The notion that we are no longer a top club and we need to be realistic and accept second best. That being 5 points off 4th spot is something to get the flags out. This is NOT Blackburn Rovers this is Liverpool FC and no fan with the LFC ethos should accept anything less than say Champions league football. There have been some good points of Kenny's reign but we are underachieving and its not negative to point that out its positive and showing ambition what the club is famed for. Rolling over on your belly and accepted we are now second raters is negative. - Rant Started.