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I hope Kenny finds a solution, we just need good signings in January; about three would do. We can do everything right except finish. Our conversion rate is so low.

aldo, you seen all the posts on here at the start of the season like I did, they all said fourth was the minimum requirement with some talking about winning the league and now that it's all looking like it's going t1ts up they are all backtracking because Dalglish is clearly not going to get us there, just find it all pityful really. If people dont believe what I am saying have a look at all the earlier posts before the season started and see who said what at the time.

Okay first of all people like to make predictions and have high hopes for every fresh season, there is nothing wrong with that, yes many people mentioned champions league football as a minimum with the money we spent but it does not mean we are backtracking just because everything is going wrong at the moment. Things are good they could be better but making bold predicitions like Kenny clearly won't get us there is just foulish at this point.

Still 69 points to play for! How about supporting Kenny and the team instead of crucifying them. We're playing good football, creating chances and have showed we can beat Arses, Chavs and outplayed scum and sh*tty. kenny's the right man for the job. FULLSTOP! We're getting like a bunch of Chav supporters screaming for a new manager everytime we don't get what we want. Nobody wants to win more than Kenny, and he will!

Lies,can you actually tell the truth?

You are right all is not lost there is a lot to play for and if we beat Villa and Wigan we are well placed for a fourth spot challenge. I did not support Kenny as manager and nothing I have seen has led me to change my mind. His signings have been average overall and although we are playing decent passing football it’s surely no more than we would be doing under another quality manager who is perhaps better for the long term. That said we have him as our manager and we need to support him and move forward. Calls to replace the manager at this stage are nonsensical. Kenny has miscalculated big time with Carroll and even more so with the fee for Carroll. We need to rectify that with a striker for the second half of the season I think we are all unanimous with that. So to sum up we need to have faith with Kenny but another batch of Carroll / downing’s and a poor second half many of the “not over impressed with manager but give him a chance” merchants will come out of the woodwork.

John you may be right I hope you are but what do you base your conclusions on?

[/quote] John you may be right I hope you are but what do you base your conclusions on? [/quote]

5 points off 4th and not even christmas
semi-final of cup
beaten Arses and Chavs away
Better than scum and sh*tty at home
Signing of Suarez
WE PLAY FOOTBALL AGAIN!!!!
All without our best player.

Think Kenny deserves a little more support from some?!

John you may be right I hope you are but what do you base your conclusions on? [/quote]

5 points off 4th and not even christmas
semi-final of cup
beaten Arses and Chavs away
Better than scum and sh*tty at home
Signing of Suarez
WE PLAY FOOTBALL AGAIN!!!!
All without our best player.

Think Kenny deserves a little more support from some?!

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Lucas you are easliy pleased. For me Liverpool are a top club and my that I don't mean in my mind I mean to be sucessfull and the pinacle of the english game. If you agree with me then the goal has to be champions league football. All the other things you mention are nothing Liverpool will always p;lay decent football or have a good game now and again. If Kenny gets fourth place (and he might) then he will have been sucessfull and I will admit I am wrong. But for me the signings have been poor and although we have made some progress its not enough for a club of Liverpool's stature not so far anyway.

This is fair comment. But I do think that we had some "desperation factor" working for us in the latter half of the season, something akin to 'new manager syndrome' like what happened to Spurs. I think the loss to Wolves and the 10 000 empty seats at Anfield really woke everyone up. But I don't for a moment believe that squad could have maintained top 4 quality for an entire season (witness the two tame losses at the end), because we were already running on empty. I think it's important to remember though, Rafa, that Benitez could only get this squad to 7th prior to Hodgson; proof that it was shot full of holes in the aftermath of Alonsogate. We've only signed on 8 new people (including Jones) since then, which is far from a squad overhaul (though we have shed a lot of deadwood).

That's where my comment about it mostly being a club of average players comes from (prior to the summer, maybe still now). I think we all know the average quality of the players who left in the summer... We are definitely a better squad than last season, but perhaps we're still not top 4 quality - maybe only top 5 as we stand today. I feel that in general the new signings have all brought something to the club, and once they have an understanding of one another we can start to over-perform once more. But we're still some way off putting the puzzle together.

I do however feel that we should expect top 4. That is the promise that got us the investment, that is the goal that every staff member is working towards. If we're not going to expect them to deliver, then they can't succeed.