KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Time for Kenny to look in the mirror

There you go calling Rafarendum "Bar" again!! :P

I agreed with all of that until the last line. I think it's quite as simple as being down to poor finishing. We're creating chances in every game - especially early on in a game. If we don't score early, we're pretty much guaranteed that we're not gonna. It's like the confidence completely drains out of the team if we haven't scored by half time.

I said to my mate the other night in the 70th minute "there's no way we're gonna score here".

We're constantly creating chances early on in the game and missing them. The manager can't finish the f*cking chances himself, can he?? - mind you, put him on the pitch and he'd probably do a better job than some of them, even at his age!

The 2 main problems I believe exist in the team currently are poor finishing and the mentality. The forward and midfield players aren't scoring. In some cases that's down to lack of confidence, and in some cases it's down to luck - it's not down to lack of ability. Form is temporary.

As for the mentality - the team is lacking that winning mentality. If we start getting a few wins under our belt, it'll grow. I believe this is a reason why the Carling Cup is more important than some realise. I think if we can beat City over 2 legs and go on to win the trophy, that will do wonders for the team in terms of both confidence and mentality. You can't teach a winning mentality.

If we're already starting to think "why not?" about youth players who are forwards after having spent heavily in the summer on the front line, then we're in worse shape than we think.

For me we are failing quite dramatically in 3 areas:
1) Downing was bought to supply aerial ball for Carroll, but instead spends more of his time trying to beat his man or going for goal, and doesn't start alongside Carroll regularly despite both being fit. He most often plays on the right because Suarez prefers the left, yet Downing is poor on the right. When he does cross it's either too close to the keeper or no where near our man. What's with that?

2) Carroll was bought to be an aerial threat in the box, but he's never there when we have possession from open play. Instead he is deployed miles from the area where his poor first touch and passing come to the fore rather than his ability to head a ball towards goal. Even if he does knock the ball down for a team mate he is not fast enough to get into the box before the play overtakes him. What is his role then, exactly?

3) Adam was bought for his dead ball delivery, but his "10m pound corners" don't get anywhere near a player in red, particularly Carroll who one would expect to be our prime target, and lately Bellamy has been taking free kicks because Adam's are crap. What's with that?

Rather than playing to these player's strengths we persist in playing to their weaknesses. While their game has improved in other areas (Adam's tackling, Carroll's hold-up play, Downing's efforts on goal), I question the validity of an approach that robs us of our primary weapons in order to embark on a long term development plan that puts our stated goal of top 4 at risk.

I think this draw with fulham has pushed 'some' fans off the edge here. Its still a new team that is learning. You can tell Hendersen, Adam, even the poor Downing is slowly improving and the team is getting better as we go. I think we will have a successful season when its all set and done. People just have to believe and also stop being negative. Approach everygame you view in a positive way and think the only way is to win. As I said this is a fresh team and I will not judge them just yet.

i must say guys this has been one of the best discussions on here for a while. No name calling etc in fact quite adult.
3 points tomorrow with a few goals could change the scenario very quickly, alternatively another draw or worse could signal more doom and gloom.

Personally I think we have developed quite well and with a bit of luck and composure could/should be 6 points better off.

here's hoping for the big win many have predicted we are due!

I think that sums Kuyt up to a tee - but one of the reasons we did so well at the end of last season was because of the understanding Kuyt and Suarez had developed up-front together

It looked like a great partnership in the making and whilst I'm the first to say that Kuyt hasn't picked up where he left off last season, surely it was worth persisting with given our current problems in front of goal

I can't even remember the last time Kuyt played up front with Suarez

Bellamy, Johnson and Maxi can all play on the right wing

Personally I'd like to see Johnson play there, with Kelly at right back.

Makes sense as Kelly is better than Johnson defensively but doesn't look anywhere near as threatening going forward

got beat 1-0 at fulham

F*cking stupid comment!! Don't be such a moron!!!

For it to be adult there needs to be t1ts & bums surely?
certainly a few t1ts on here!

Must of been late when I wrote that, but you are right there.