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don't think sentiment is holding us back.
It's pur and simple. success is now a function predominantly of money.
Fergie went a good 6 years or so I believe without really threatening to win the league. Liverpool faded, Arsenal won it twice and Leeds also won it before United won it ( so Fergie knocking us off our perch is one of the biggest media myths going).
Thereafter, United's sustained success has been achieved with their increased finanial superiority during the premier league era. The only sustained threat has come from Chelsea due to Abramovic and now City are making an impression thanks to their financial strength.
In that time, we moved away from sentimentality with the appointments of Houllier and subsequently Rafa. It almost came off,but not quite.
With Dalglish - yes, there was an element of sentimentality - and also the owners finding their feet thus allowing circumstances to dictate to them. However, it was worth a shot I think if only because otherwise we would never have known and a he'd be hovering in the background with a large support base as he was when Roy was there and in Rafa's last few years. A qualified success so far - albeit not sensational and with much improvement expected too.
And football is about pleasure, love, entertainment, loyalty, family - a game of the heart and of emotions. So sometimes theres no harm in a bit of sentimentality. Except when sentiment holds you back which is in our case...
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just explained why it isn't... he was worth a go under the circustances...
the big decision will be who next and when. can you name someone who'll gurantee success? if not, and if the next guy performs like dalglish will you also want him removed? so if necessary, do you want a new manager every 6 to 12 months? that's a recipe for self destruction.
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'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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kenny dalglish has spent all the money on garbage and it is he alone that is culpable of holding the team back with 4 outrageously bad signings when better judgement in signing quality players was not only needed it was crucial to the advancement of the team.
he is getting his excuses in early before the beating at chelsea regardles of what team he puts out.His moaning and his excuses are becoming unbearable.
whether or not rafa returns..i think he will within 3 years...ask yorself who rafa would of signed with 125m.
dalglish alone is culpable.henry has got lucky so far as the transfers have accounted for buys.he wont pend his own money so lets see what happens then.hes already said hes happy with the squad now which is a prelude not to spend in january.personaly i dont blame him as dalglish cannot be trusted with money and i think henry knows that.
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If Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all turned out like Henry and Cantona, then I guess we would be quite close to be able to beat the living daylights out of the likes of Real and Barcelona! Just like we did back in 2007 then! 
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If Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all turned out like Henry and Cantona, then I guess we would be quite close to be able to beat the living daylights out of the likes of Real and Barcelona! Just like we did back in 2007 then! yes we beat Barca but did'nt we also finish 21 points behind the eventual champions too that very same season.
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faz to suggest rafa has just as much blame to the down full of the club is just plain stupid. lets not forget he took the club to a new level after gerrard left it in a mess. we were ranked number one team in europe and were very much feared.
cant you rafa haters give the man credit for what he did achieve. i honestly believe if he had that kind of financial backing kenny has had we would be in a much better position then we are now.
I would not agree Houliier left us in a mess problems yes, mess no. The team that won the champions league in 05 was houillers tean in essence and so was the 06 FA cup team
yes his last year was a mess and it was the right time to sack him and am not sure bringing him back would be a good idea but i have upmost respect for the man as a manager and as a man. I would not agree Houliier left us in a mess problems yes, mess no. The team that won the champions league in 05 was houillers tean in essence and so was the 06 FA cup team
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If Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all turned out like Henry and Cantona, then I guess we would be quite close to be able to beat the living daylights out of the likes of Real and Barcelona! Just like we did back in 2007 then! yes we beat Barca but did'nt we also finish 21 points behind the eventual champions too that very same season. You're right: Yes we did! The fact we didn't have the funds for a wide enough squad made us pay! We couldn't hold it up both in PL and in CL at the same time. However, that fact doesn't contradict the fact that we were a force that could threaten any team on the day.
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faz to suggest rafa has just as much blame to the down full of the club is just plain stupid. lets not forget he took the club to a new level after gerrard left it in a mess. we were ranked number one team in europe and were very much feared.
cant you rafa haters give the man credit for what he did achieve. i honestly believe if he had that kind of financial backing kenny has had we would be in a much better position then we are now.
I would not agree Houliier left us in a mess problems yes, mess no. The team that won the champions league in 05 was houillers tean in essence and so was the 06 FA cup team
yes his last year was a mess and it was the right time to sack him and am not sure bringing him back would be a good idea but i have upmost respect for the man as a manager and as a man. I would not agree Houliier left us in a mess problems yes, mess no. The team that won the champions league in 05 was houillers tean in essence and so was the 06 FA cup team gerard houllier is a bigger legend than benitez deserves more credit he brought back the glory days to liverpool he not only brought the CL back to liverpool he won liverpool's first european trophy since 1984 and the first final since heysel which was a massive event for me a bigger deal than istanbul for all that it meant to us who were at heysel , plus he took the domestic cups very serious unlike benitez , yes he left some bad players but never left the squad in as bad of a state as it was left by benitez .
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If Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all turned out like Henry and Cantona, then I guess we would be quite close to be able to beat the living daylights out of the likes of Real and Barcelona! Just like we did back in 2007 then! yes we beat Barca but did'nt we also finish 21 points behind the eventual champions too that very same season. You're right: Yes we did! The fact we didn't have the funds for a wide enough squad made us pay! We couldn't hold it up both in PL and in CL at the same time. However, that fact doesn't contradict the fact that we were a force that could threaten any team on the day. I am afraid anyboby can beat anybody in Cup games, the true test of how good you are is how you perform over a season in the League and we finished 21 points behind the eventual League Champions so beating Barca in the grand scale of things was very nice but very hollow in the end. I think having said that if we finished 21 points behind the Champions this season it will be a miracle because we are on course to finish well over 30 points behind and given the money the manager has spent I personaly think it will be a disgrace.
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If Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam all turned out like Henry and Cantona, then I guess we would be quite close to be able to beat the living daylights out of the likes of Real and Barcelona! Just like we did back in 2007 then! yes we beat Barca but did'nt we also finish 21 points behind the eventual champions too that very same season. You're right: Yes we did! The fact we didn't have the funds for a wide enough squad made us pay! We couldn't hold it up both in PL and in CL at the same time. However, that fact doesn't contradict the fact that we were a force that could threaten any team on the day. I am afraid anyboby can beat anybody in Cup games, the true test of how good you are is how you perform over a season in the League and we finished 21 points behind the eventual League Champions so beating Barca in the grand scale of things was very nice but very hollow in the end. I think having said that if we finished 21 points behind the Champions this season it will be a miracle because we are on course to finish well over 30 points behind and given the money the manager has spent I personaly think it will be a disgrace. Of course a cup tournament doesn't work as a league does. Who said that? But the initial point was that we could nail any team back in 2007. Not only once or twice, but 4 times on a row when it came to Barcelona and Real. Am I right or what? Nowadays I'm almost certain we would have problems getting 1 out of 10 against for example those 2 sides. The top teams in Europe (including UK) have sailed away towards the horizon and left us far far behind. I'm hoping we'll soon start seeing signs of us picking up the pace again. If we proceed as started in this campaign we'll finish 31 points behind the winner - if that will be Citeh. But what ruler isn't straight? Form and development can't be measured through a straight ruler. Let's hope we'll pick up the pace! If we finish 4:th 31 points behind Citeh then I don't count that as a disgrace. Should we however finish 6:th that far behind the winner, and not even close to 4:th then it wouldn't be far off a disgrace IMO.
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