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anyway back on topic, i think we can still win the carling cup game with a weakened team, because chelsea will play a weakened team too. i hope we win the 2 games, but im just glad the club understand what all the real fans know, that the league is far more important for the furure of this club Are you going for some sort of record in using Real Fans and League more important in every post, getting boring now, your United tendencies are coming out in every post now with such confrontational statements... only real fan would understand I think with our support coming from all over the world which all brings different things to the table, we all have different mentalities towards what we call success, here in Liverpool we call winning trophies as success and finishing fourth as a form of success maybe thats where people disagree on here, some places where people live might not be used having football clubs that win trophies so they have the mentality that you dont need to win things to be successful, this seems to apply in this case. i have a different theory, i reckon some older generation fans are living in the past and comprehend that getting back in europe is far more important, only then can we get back where we belong at the top table. i think this applys here
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Are you going for some sort of record in using Real Fans and League more important in every post, getting boring now, your United tendencies are coming out in every post now with such confrontational statements... [/quote]
only real fan would understand [/quote]I think with our support coming from all over the world which all brings different things to the table, we all have different mentalities towards what we call success, here in Liverpool we call winning trophies as success and finishing fourth as a form of success maybe thats where people disagree on here, some places where people live might not be used having football clubs that win trophies so they have the mentality that you dont need to win things to be successful, this seems to apply in this case. [/quote]
i have a different theory, i reckon some older generation fans are living in the past and comprehend that getting back in europe is far more important, only then can we get back where we belong at the top table. i think this applys here
[/quote]Nope disagree, I think not wanting to win trophies is a defeatist attitude, I think depending on where your from can dictate what you see as success. If someone comes from say Stoke or Newcastle then there outlook on success will probably be different than say someone from Manchester or London and if you come from a place where they dont even have football as there national sport then what they see as success will be even more different because they are not used to being surrounded by proper success.
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kenny dalglish seems to back my theory up. he thinks the league is more important, hes played for liverpool managed liverpool and lived in liverpool for 30 odd years. so thats good enough for me and blows you little theory to peices.
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kenny dalglish seems to back my theory up. he thinks the league is more important, hes played for liverpool managed liverpool and lived in liverpool for 30 odd years. so thats good enough for me and blows you little theory to peices. The same Kenny Dalglish who spent 35 million on Andy Carroll, you really are clutching at straws if your basing your opinion on a man's judgment who did that...
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Jose Mouriniho spent 30m on Shevchencko, every good manager makes a mistake.
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Jose Mouriniho spent 30m on Shevchencko, every good manager makes a mistake. I think Mourinho was in a position to waste money on players like Shevchenko he also delivered the League which compensated signings like him, we are not in that position and needed to be more careful with what money we did have to spend, thats why it so frustrating to see it wasted so recklessly by Dalglish.
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Jose Mouriniho spent 30m on Shevchencko, every good manager makes a mistake. I think Mourinho was in a position to waste money on players like Shevchenko he also delivered the League which compensated signings like him, we are not in that position and needed to be more careful with what money we did have to spend, thats why it so frustrating to see it wasted so recklessly by Dalglish. Carroll isn't worth 35 mil. But can you tell me please, how was he playing for the Magpies before we brought him?
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don't think sentiment is holding us back.
It's pur and simple. success is now a function predominantly of money.
Fergie went a good 6 years or so I believe without really threatening to win the league. Liverpool faded, Arsenal won it twice and Leeds also won it before United won it ( so Fergie knocking us off our perch is one of the biggest media myths going).
Thereafter, United's sustained success has been achieved with their increased finanial superiority during the premier league era. The only sustained threat has come from Chelsea due to Abramovic and now City are making an impression thanks to their financial strength.
In that time, we moved away from sentimentality with the appointments of Houllier and subsequently Rafa. It almost came off,but not quite.
With Dalglish - yes, there was an element of sentimentality - and also the owners finding their feet thus allowing circumstances to dictate to them. However, it was worth a shot I think if only because otherwise we would never have known and a he'd be hovering in the background with a large support base as he was when Roy was there and in Rafa's last few years. A qualified success so far - albeit not sensational and with much improvement expected too.
And football is about pleasure, love, entertainment, loyalty, family - a game of the heart and of emotions. So sometimes theres no harm in a bit of sentimentality.
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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kenny dalglish seems to back my theory up. he thinks the league is more important, hes played for liverpool managed liverpool and lived in liverpool for 30 odd years. so thats good enough for me and blows you little theory to peices. The same Kenny Dalglish who spent 35 million on Andy Carroll, you really are clutching at straws if your basing your opinion on a man's judgment who did that... I see crown is coming out with his usual serving of doom and gloom, well not surprising, he may like the reds but they ain't in Anfield. For the record CP, just so you know, I couldn't give two monkeys farts about this cup but I will back Kenny to get us fourth spot and ECL so we can really invest in the summer. Then the £35 mil on Carroll you can forget about when he splashes some real cash and not Abroms loose change. Oh plus, hopefully in that cup game we can get our Robbo's, Flanni and Coates into the fray for some much needed first team action, maybe a few of the other young lads like this Morgan fellah too, I hear he can score better than Carroll ;-)
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i post this in the wake of the dalglish's comments about telling fans not to travel to chelsea and the prospect of fielding a weakened team in the only real chance of winning a cup , plus the now unbelievable clamour for the return of a certain rafa benitez to be either assistant to dalglish or to just replace him all together , this is all down to sentiment nothing more nothing less , if another manager had come out with comments about weakened team and dont travel there would be mass uproar , plus benitez is touting for the liverpool job now and has been since he failed massively at inter milan , which is not good for the club to have him hanging around like some sort of spector from the past , if dalglish succeeds great fantastic , but i think it might not happen under kenny but one thing is certain to replace him with benitez would be the biggest mistake in the clubs history worse than any decision to appoint roy hodgson , why doesnt benitez just move on he hangs around like a bad smell , and the fans encourage it which is down to sentiment pure and simple and it is holding back progression of the club . Why is rafa a bad smell? I would welcome him back with open arms. He managed to achieve considerable success with no support from owners. Who knows what he'll achieve with 100% supportive owners. your blinkered red who believe benitez is whiter than white and done nothing wrong , he is just as much to blame for the decline of liverpool f.c. than the owners at the time , and yes he is hanging around like a bad smell your post proves this but you have you head stuck in this fantasy world of benitez you cant see it . Thank God we have you, who can see everything and enlighten us silly supporters who judge managers by their achievments and loyalty to the club. Don't misunderstand me, I am not calling fo kenny to get the sack or Rafa to come back, although I would love to see them work together. I just think your post is pretty insulting to the supporters who might disagree with your opinions. I don't think it is us that are blinded.
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