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this is inane. he is our most consistant defender.
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I'm sorry, but after 4 games, that's a pathetic comment to make. Absolutely pathetic. If a player scores a hattrick on the opening day of the season he averages 3 goals per game, WOW!! If a player is red-carded on the opening day he averages 1 red card per game. What a thick b*stard, getting sent off every time he plays! We're 4 games in, get some f*cking sense, people. If Carra goes on to make an average of a goal-costing mistake per every 2 games til the end of the season, then i'll eat my hat - and my words.
"Carra cost us the points against Stoke". F*ck off. If you wanna point a finger, how about Suarez? His shot with virtually the last kick of the game 'cost' us 1 point because he put it wide with the goal at his mercy. No, let's leave the man of the hour alone, and have a go at the scapegoat of the week. Ugh.
It's only 4 games, yes, but it's not like we can judge him on 20 games this season can we? And it's also not one incident. If a player scores a hattrick in one game, then I wouldn't be dropping him. If he scores 3 own goals, I might. If he gets sent off twice, I might. One mistake can happen any time. 2 out of 4 is not a good sign. And those are just the ones that have cost us. He's made more mistakes in these 4 games that haven't been punished. Carra has been declining for past 2 years in his own performance. He still adds something to the team with his organisation of other players, but his OWN play is getting worse. He's still good enough to play in our first team, but like any other player, he needs to be dropped/rested when he's not playing well. Would you say the same of Suarez? No. Suarez is playing well. He could probably do with a rest since he's played a lot over the summer. Carra is not playing that well right now. Accept it. I don't know why you take it so personally. Do you deny that if it had been Skrtel, people would be calling for him to be dropped and Agger, Coates or Carra given a game? No player gets special treatment when it comes to results. I have a lot of time for Carra, he's been very good for us over the years, but I'm pretty sure he'd agree he's made too many mistakes this season already. You act like dropping Carra would be tantamount to ending his career or something. I'm not saying that. It's part of football. Not doing your job, then someone else comes in until you are doing your job. I think you're the one over-reacting here. And continuing to play players while they're off form is not going to help us get where we need to get. I'm not taking it personally, and i'm not over-reacting. It's the knee-jerk reactions to a couple of mistakes made by Carra where the over-reactions lie. We've been here before. I remember abour 4 years ago he made a few mistakes in the opening games including one bad one in the Merseyside Derby and people said he was finished, and yet again he came back and proved those people to be idiots. I'm not saying Carra is still at the top of his game, and i'm not stupid or under any illusions about his age/form, don't you worry about that. What i'm saying is - and it's what I meant in my last post - 4 games is WAY too early to be hanging someone. The same goes for Carroll. You can judge a player over half a season, or at the very least 10-15 games. It's terribly unfair to be judging anyone after 4 games, least of all Jamie Carragher. Skrtel spent most of last season (the first half anyway) making mistakes, and it drove me mad. Every player does it, it's just more prominent now with Carra because the fans are frustrated. I'm not even saying that Carra is above being dropped/rested, I just think the manner in which people are jumping on him is disgraceful. I'm really looking forward to seeing Coates, and seeing if he's as good as we all hope, because i'd like him to be a long-term successor for Carra alongside Agger.
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'If there is hope, it lies in the proles'
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Another player bashing forum >>> FU*K UP
Last edited by kingkenny10; 16/09/11 04:50 AM.
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disgraceful. dropping carragher is idiotic suicide which is why kenny won't be doing it this is a question i have asked before , just hypothetical because i dont think he deserves to be axed yet , but has dalglish got the balls to drop carragher ?
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He will be dropped sooner or later. We have not seen Coates yet and I am sure if we play 4 at the back, someone has to give way for him. Kenny will drop anyone.
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We are not suggesting he be dropped but any decent fan can reasonable see that for all the player he is, he is deficient in many ways if we want to take the team to the next step. He is a fantastic defender when we have our backs against the wall. He brings so much experience and passion that we love him for but there are a few things i am unhappy with Carragher. We are not seeking perfection or looking for perfect defenders - just looking for ones that take us forward.
I want a ball playing faster CB. I've lost count the number of times we have an attacking corner and the defending team clears its lines and when Carragher gets it at the half way mark, simply passes it back to Reina. I'm not saying that it is wrong but simply, a smarter more adventurous and ball playing CB would think of taking the ball forward or putting the ball back into the danger area so that we dont lose the attacking momentum.
just my two cents worth but i am all for not dropping him until we get a successor.
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They won't KopProphet. People understand young players make lots of mistakes, and they expect them to improve. I think most sensible fans have patience for Flanagan, Robinson, Coates etc. They lose some patience for young players who cost 20m or 35m, because you can expect a lot for that money, but still most are fairly patient about Henderson and Carroll. As long as they can see some glimpses of potential. If Coates makes mistakes, then he's learning, and if he makes too many you drop him again until he's ready. I can recall a few people on here slating Flanagan at the end of last season after me made a mistake in one game.
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They won't KopProphet. People understand young players make lots of mistakes, and they expect them to improve. I think most sensible fans have patience for Flanagan, Robinson, Coates etc. They lose some patience for young players who cost 20m or 35m, because you can expect a lot for that money, but still most are fairly patient about Henderson and Carroll. As long as they can see some glimpses of potential. If Coates makes mistakes, then he's learning, and if he makes too many you drop him again until he's ready. I can recall a few people on here slating Flanagan at the end of last season after me made a mistake in one game. Wasnt it this season after the sunderland game?
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flanagan has probably made lots of errors as he is very young and very average.
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flanagan has probably made lots of errors as he is very young and very average. i have to agree with you. i dont see why some pple think he will be a top player. i do like his no nonsense way of tackling. i think he would be decent and a good back up but i cant see him being good enough to play for us as our main RB
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