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Jesus, people have little to be worrying about that they come onto internet message boards to constantly moan about ever little thing. There's a different target for abuse every few days. It's Carra now?? F*ckin' joke.
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Nobody is above criticism BarLennon, and Carra is having difficulties. It's not the first time, and it is standing out because of the team playign well, but giving up points because of individual mistakes. I don't see anything negative about pointing this out.
If Carra has cost us 2 goals in 4 league games, then consider the situation if every defensive player (goalie included) had made a similar amount of mistakes which cost us. And it's not as if he's offering much going forward is it? Do you even realise how harsh you're being?? He gave away a penalty - people do it every f*cking week! For all you or I know, he won't give a single penalty away for the rest of the season. It isn't the first he's given away, and it won't be his last. It doesn't make him past it. And you can't say he's cost us 2 points because of that. We give away an early goal, yeah, but the game didn't end when that penalty went in. There was plenty of time for the other 9 outfield players to combine to get an equaliser. It's very easy to ignore all of the other good he does in the team, and the challenges he puts in to prevent goals, that you wouldn't see from 9 out of 10 other defenders. But no, once someone has a taste for blood, they'll pick on the obvious target. As has already been said, Carra's been wrote off before, and he's come back stronger, and I have no doubt that he'll do it again, and shut up some disgraceful fans who jump on the bandwagon of disrespecting a living, playing, LFC legend.
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remember carragher lambasting aurelio when it was carragher himself that had been aweful.
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Where do these 'fans' come from. Carra is the model of consistency in a game where all defenders make mistakes. A forward makes a mistake the chance is gone and everyone forgets it. Carra makes one and all of a sudden he's a liability and we should put him out to pasture. The reality is that Carra makes far less mistakes than Skrtel and Johnson, is fitter and more reliable than Agger. The jury is still out on Enrique and Coates - so that makes him our most trustworthy defender. Who will the lynch mob go after next I wonder.... I think you are wrong there. The sentiment is not to lynch Carra but that under Kenny our football requires a bit more finesse and composure. Carra's two mistakes as mentioned are not really of concern as these can happen to anyone, However far too often he lumps the ball forward giving possesion away needlessly. I often feel he can panic and the opposition know it, when he has the ball they stand off and let him play it. When Agger has the ball they press until the ball goes to Carra, reason being they know his distribution is poor. I hasten to add that he is still our best defender but one with flaws that in my opinion are currently being exposed.
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I honestly believe his performances have been on the wain for the past two or three seasons buy having said that, his importance to settling and instructing the defense is priceless. He marshalls the troops back there so well but sadly his performances aren't as good as they should be and he will be eased eventually. If the younger players back there can learn some leadership from him then that will be vital to eventually find his replacement.
Jamie Carragher has been and still is a legend but I believe his days are numbered.
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Where do these 'fans' come from. Carra is the model of consistency in a game where all defenders make mistakes. A forward makes a mistake the chance is gone and everyone forgets it. Carra makes one and all of a sudden he's a liability and we should put him out to pasture. The reality is that Carra makes far less mistakes than Skrtel and Johnson, is fitter and more reliable than Agger. The jury is still out on Enrique and Coates - so that makes him our most trustworthy defender. Who will the lynch mob go after next I wonder.... +1. You're dead right there.
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Carra has cost 2 goals in two games full stop. Without taking anything else into consideration that's terrible. Now Carra is a model in terms of commitment to the cause but take of the Rose tinted glasses he is fading and fading fast. Far too much fouling pulling and dragging it too predictable and forwards know it
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Carra has cost 2 goals in two games full stop. Without taking anything else into consideration that's terrible. Now Carra is a model in terms of commitment to the cause but take of the Rose tinted glasses he is fading and fading fast. Far too much fouling pulling and dragging it too predictable and forwards know it I seem to recall him 'costing us' 2 goals in one game in about 1999 against Man Ure, when he scored 2 own goals in one game. So f*cking what. Sh*t happens. If it continues to happen, then by all means, there should be cries for him to be dropped - and i'll be one of them - but the hastiness of this sh*t from some of you people is disgusting in my eyes.
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Depends on how you view it. 2 goals in 4 games is a high rate of mistakes. If it was 2 over the season it's not so bad, but we don't know it will only be two. Right now, he's making too many mistakes. How can anyone argue that?
Looking at it another way, we've conceded only 3 goals this season, so Carragher's also costed us 67% of our goals. That's an even worse stat. Other players aren't doing the same. Why should Carra get away with it. IF Skrtel had cost us these goals, or Johnson, people would call for them to be dropped.
Carra is not a youngster. At some point, and it may be this year or several years from now, he's going to be making mistakes, and he won't come back strong. He'll be finished. So this is the thing. How do you know this isn't the season where his playing standard drops and never comes back. How many games and mistakes are you going to give him, before making changes? I'm sorry, but after 4 games, that's a pathetic comment to make. Absolutely pathetic. If a player scores a hattrick on the opening day of the season he averages 3 goals per game, WOW!! If a player is red-carded on the opening day he averages 1 red card per game. What a thick b*stard, getting sent off every time he plays! We're 4 games in, get some f*cking sense, people. If Carra goes on to make an average of a goal-costing mistake per every 2 games til the end of the season, then i'll eat my hat - and my words. "Carra cost us the points against Stoke". F*ck off. If you wanna point a finger, how about Suarez? His shot with virtually the last kick of the game 'cost' us 1 point because he put it wide with the goal at his mercy. No, let's leave the man of the hour alone, and have a go at the scapegoat of the week. Ugh.
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carra is a brilliant leader, and i know its hard to move on and replace such a legend, but its time for us as a team to move on. we should be looking into getting a new CB to go straight into the team, not another 1 for the future.
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