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Originally Posted By: jimmycase8
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Somebody posted we are the fourth biggest fanbase. Who is above us yes Man U but who else ? is it the two big spanish clubs?
Stanley I dont think fanbase alone means how big you are as a football Club, Celtic could probably rival us for fans all over the world and would you say Leeds United, Sheffield Wednesday and Newcastle are bigger then Chelsea because historicaly they have bigger fanbases until the Abramovic era. The way football works and especialy because we have the most fickle fans in the world alongside United, new supporters attatch themselves to fame or success, this is why Chelsea are the fastest growing fanbase in the world right now because of there success in the last 6 or so years, Man City will probably over take them in the next 10 because they will win leagues and Champions leagues. I am afraid Liverpool's fan base will diminish simply because we dont feed it with success and have'nt done for nearly 25 years, you cant live off past glories forever and we will see that.


what a drama queen you are, in the last 21yrs(not 25) since we won the league Liverpool have won plenty of trophies and been to many a final. Two champs league finals is equal to Chelsea, City and Arsenal combined. 3 Fa cups, 3 league cups, Champs league,UEFA CUP, super cup wimmers since our last league title is hardly a baron spell. Consdiderably more than UTD had won when we were winning the league regularly. We are in good shape and improving, disagree by all means but the facts are there for all to see.

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Originally Posted By: cp1972

The way football works and especialy because we have the most fickle fans in the world alongside United, new supporters attatch themselves to fame or success, this is why Chelsea are the fastest growing fanbase in the world right now because of there success in the last 6 or so years, Man City will probably over take them in the next 10 because they will win leagues and Champions leagues.


That's not quite right

Despite the brash promises of Paul Konchesky lookalike Peter Kenyon, Chelsea haven't come close to 'turning the world blue' because they are still considered - in Europe especially - as novuea rich upstarts without anything even approasching genuine class

City are a bit different because at least they are a big club - and have always had a large fanbase

The only people apart from the Chinese who attach themselves (in droves) to Chelsea since the Abromovich era have been southern English EDL members, tosspots who work in the city and want something to do on a Saturday afternoon and a handful of usually privately educated children

The rest of the world has looked distinctly disinterestred at Abramovich's attempts to turn a club best known for being the cheerleaders for Combat 18 into a global force

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careful jim or the russian mafia will sue the ass off ya!!lol

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Jim,that is quality,laughed my arse off at that description of Chelsea.


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I've always had a particular dislike for Chelsea - waaay before the Abramovich era and the Torres/Meireles sagas

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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
Originally Posted By: cp1972

The way football works and especialy because we have the most fickle fans in the world alongside United, new supporters attatch themselves to fame or success, this is why Chelsea are the fastest growing fanbase in the world right now because of there success in the last 6 or so years, Man City will probably over take them in the next 10 because they will win leagues and Champions leagues.


That's not quite right

Despite the brash promises of Paul Konchesky lookalike Peter Kenyon, Chelsea haven't come close to 'turning the world blue' because they are still considered - in Europe especially - as novuea rich upstarts without anything even approasching genuine class

City are a bit different because at least they are a big club - and have always had a large fanbase

The only people apart from the Chinese who attach themselves (in droves) to Chelsea since the Abromovich era have been southern English EDL members, tosspots who work in the city and want something to do on a Saturday afternoon and a handful of usually privately educated children

The rest of the world has looked distinctly disinterestred at Abramovich's attempts to turn a club best known for being the cheerleaders for Combat 18 into a global force



Jim - why are those comments in the quote attributed to me? I do not agree at all and agree with your points. Cut and paste disaster me thinks

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Originally Posted By: Raf tiredarendum
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Can Liverpool get back to what they once were the premier team in British football bar no one. Winning titles almost every year and dominating Europe? I think it’s possible but with provisos.
In my opinion three things need to be in place not one or two, ALL THREE or its a no go.

1. We need a top stadium capable of housing at least 20,000 more seats with corporate facilities and a profile to Market the club on a global scale.
2. We need to substantially increase the turnover almost double it. Given the existing revenue sources at saturation point then that means new revenue sources, see point 1.
3. Having a good manager and carefully selecting the right players that firsts puts us in the champions league then pushes for a title challenge. See points 1 and 2.

The days of slowly getting better and growing organically are over never we will see another Derby, Notts Forest or Ipswich getting to the top purely on the team alone. These days you need money and prodigious sums of it, to even be at the starting blocks for the premiership title. You either need very good infrastructure and a worldwide fan base (as Man Utd) or a petro sugar daddy (city / Chelsea). Without either one you are not in the game. Now it’s perfectly possible Liverpool can follow Man Utd’s path very possible. But the problem is our revenuers and infrastructure is 20 to 30 years behind Man Utd through inept chairman over the years.

What do you think is the plot is and can we find it?????????????


It's true that we need all 3, but first we have to get into the champions league. That alone boost our revenue a great deal. We know the owners are looking at creating more revenue, but revenue is secondary to profit. What I mean is, that there is no point getting a 65000 stadium if it produces more revenue, but the cost and debt payments dwarf the extra revenue. We need profit.

So yes, we should do everything we can to improve things on the stadium front, as long as it is profit producing. Also, we should realise that we can't compete financially with some clubs. We will never be first in that. So lets accept it. And work smarter. Messi Xavi and Iniesta came from Barcelona's academy. The best way for us to compete, is to plough resources into youth development, and not be just good, but be the best in the world at that. that's where our future success lies in my opinon.

So lets accept it. And work smarter. Messi Xavi and Iniesta came from Barcelona's academy. The best way for us to compete, is to plough resources into youth development, and not be just good, but be the best in the world at that. that's where our future success lies in my opinon.

We also need the best manager. Look at how Barcelona play. Even average players like Abidal are able to pass the ball around with confidence. Look at United this year. PLayers improve under their coaching as soon as they go there. For years, we haven't had players improving much.

AAH! sense at last! bliss! lets hope those glory hunters go home and the winging fickle fans find someone else to moan about too!Leave the real fans to support this club realistically and through thick and thin. tired zzzzz


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I was respondibg to the poster you were picking up on - Mr Case I think

It was he I was arguing with - not yourself - but I couldn't find the offending thread

I simply can't and don't believe that Chelsea have the fastest growing fanbase in the world - look at what Barcelona have done over the past 2-3 seasons

If they won the Champions League - which hopefully will be the one trophy that alludes Abromovic's Chelsea - then maybe they have that chance of world recognition but until they do, in terms of global fans they will always be living in the shadow of clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool which have the history to match their success

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AAH! sense at last! bliss! lets hope those glory hunters go home and the winging fickle fans find someone else to moan about too!Leave the real fans to support this club realistically and through thick and thin. tired zzzzz


Again I take issue that anyone who claims that being critical of the club and the decisions it makes from time to time is a sign of them being fickle in their support

Are all those Arsenal fans who are now questioning Arsene Wenger and the Arsenal board's failure to invest in players any less fans than those who just nod in approval of anything the power's that be do

Taking your logic to its natural conclusion, were all those fans calling for Hodgson and Hicks and Gillet to sling their hooks any less of fans than those who didn't

Giving where we've come from - there's admitedly not a great deal to criticise at the mo' - we have a great manager, great owners and a squad with at least the potebtial to get back into the top 4 - but if anything I think that those fans who do question their club from time to time are more loyal that those that meekly follow whatever the club does like sheep

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There's constructive criticism and then there's moaning at everything,it does get tiring looking for problems all the time,and making out the clubs becoming virtually unsupportable! or else that's what some suggestions seem to say.but that's my feelings only.


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