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We can use the money to sign Cahill or some other quality defender. I'l take option B thanks.
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Against Sunderland in the second half, the midfield totally capitulated. there were holes everywhere and we were chasing Sessengon and Larsson all over the place. Adam for all that he is cannot tackle to save his life. He tried i'll give him that.
And that's only sunderland folks...we need all the midfield folks we can get. Raul adds intelligence and good running into the channels from midfield. We did not have that from Adam or Lucas
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But I don't think Raul IS one of our better players. Selling a 'surplus-to-requirements' midfielder to strengthen a not-so-good defence isn't 2 steps backwards in my opinion. Forget your personal opinion on Raul for a moment and look at it a different way: What is better for the club?
A) keeping Raul and relying on the current defenders B) selling Raul and strengthening defence
The way I see it, we could VERY easily cope with losing Raul but are we going to make top 4 relying on:
the 'ageing' carragher the 'injury-prone' agger the 'average' skrtel the 'erratic' kyrgiakos
Vert unlikely. But could we manage with a central midfield pool of lucas, gerrard, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey, aquilani? Quite easily. Raul is a midfielder who weighs in with a fair share of goals, last season when Gerrard was injured he more than capably deputised for him (not an easy feat for a newcomer to the EPL), scoring VITAL goals for us that helped our surge up the table. To say that he is NOT one of our better players is hmmmm to put it mildly,...strange!  Surplus-to-requirements?... honestly am lost for words. My personal opinion aside, Wasnt he a contender for player of the season? If he is surplus to requirements what does that make of Poulsen, Cole, N'gog, El'zah, Shelvy, even Spearing? He is a FULL Portugese international and a regular starter for them and that alone sez alot about his abilities. We do need to strengthen our "D" but certainly not at the expence of weakening other vital areas. You've put u'r faith in Adam, Henderson, Aqua, and Shelvey who havent done anything for the club yet, and want to ship out an experienced player who has actually made his mark on the EPL in his first season?..... wow, this is difficult to grasp! Why do u think Chelsea a team better than us would be interested if he is "Surplus-to-requirments"?.....The question I'd ask is why r we hanging on to those players I've mentioned above?
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If we were to sell the fringe players we'd have enough for the defender we need and we could keep one of our better players. Its all the dead wood that we have that we should be concentrating on selling and don't seem to have been.
I also agree with others that Henderson should not have been bought ahead of strengthening other areas.
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But I don't think Raul IS one of our better players. Selling a 'surplus-to-requirements' midfielder to strengthen a not-so-good defence isn't 2 steps backwards in my opinion. Forget your personal opinion on Raul for a moment and look at it a different way: What is better for the club?
A) keeping Raul and relying on the current defenders B) selling Raul and strengthening defence
The way I see it, we could VERY easily cope with losing Raul but are we going to make top 4 relying on:
the 'ageing' carragher the 'injury-prone' agger the 'average' skrtel the 'erratic' kyrgiakos
Vert unlikely. But could we manage with a central midfield pool of lucas, gerrard, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey, aquilani? Quite easily. Good post and makes sense. Except for, too much is being made of the 'ageing' carra, he is still right up there and more than capable of being first choice CB. Also for some, well at least for me, my frustration is more to do with the fact that we bought henderson who is average and not as good as Aqua or Raul, instead of buying a new CB. So now we have to sell a player significantly enough better than henderson for half as much as we paid for henderson so we can now buy a CB. That is what is ridiculous. Other than that, you're right, a CB is more a priority than keeping Raul. I will be disapointed if we go British though, cause those on offer are no better than a back up. And some of those back up quality CBs will cost a lot.
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If we were to sell the fringe players we'd have enough for the defender we need and we could keep one of our better players. Its all the dead wood that we have that we should be concentrating on selling and don't seem to have been.
I also agree with others that Henderson should not have been bought ahead of strengthening other areas. No1 wants our fringe players. It isn't a case of we're not selling them. No one wants to buy them.
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As bigredkop said, no one wants our fringe players and even if they did, the money we'd get wouldn't really help to strengthen our defence. We need to sacrifice, if you will, a saleable player with reasonable value in order to improve our defence. If we don't sell Meireles we won't be improving our defence. So, what do you think is more important:
keeping Raul OR improving our defence?
If kenny thought Raul was good enough then he wouldn't have spent approx £25m on central midfielders to go with the 5 or 6 we already had. Face it, Raul is on his way and quite rightly so as it will benefit the team.
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Guys Reina won the Golden glove three times in a row and I dont think our defense has changed that much since, except that now we seem to be concedeng more goals, Ok Cara has aged (and he's still not that bad!), but bar him the rest are still in their prime and are not that bad IMHO. I'd like to think that our problems are more in midfield where we lack a "Propa" holding midfielder since Mascherano left! (no disrespect to Lucas -our player of the season) so teams can now just bulldoze thru our midfield and cause problems to our defense. However good our defense might be if teams can just walk past our midfield, our defense will always struggle and will be made to look worse than they actually are.
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But I don't think Raul IS one of our better players. Selling a 'surplus-to-requirements' midfielder to strengthen a not-so-good defence isn't 2 steps backwards in my opinion. Forget your personal opinion on Raul for a moment and look at it a different way: What is better for the club?
A) keeping Raul and relying on the current defenders B) selling Raul and strengthening defence
The way I see it, we could VERY easily cope with losing Raul but are we going to make top 4 relying on:
the 'ageing' carragher the 'injury-prone' agger the 'average' skrtel the 'erratic' kyrgiakos
Vert unlikely. But could we manage with a central midfield pool of lucas, gerrard, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey, aquilani? Quite easily. i completely agree with you, selling a couple of our attacking midfielders and buying a CB and a winger makes perfect sense to me. would meireles be one of the players id sell? maybe because he would fetch much more money than the likes of cole, maxi and aquilani. i have a said for a very long time we should sell meireles or aquilani and cole or maxi use the money to sign another winger i would rather we sold aquilani and cole because of wages, cole's age and aquilani's lack or versatility, but really any combination of 2 from those 4 being sold and us signing a winger and/or CB would make us a much better team and squad.
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I find it hilarious that any self-proclaimed adult Liverpool fan can actually think that Raul was a better player for us last season that Lucas was. That's the sort of observation i'd expect from a 12 year old.
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