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Raul on sale??? wow this club never ceases to amaze me! strange things keep happening in this club! are we just cursed or bewitched... what-tha......? For once we have a decent group of players and before we can have a decent season wiv dem we already want to ship out the good ones  ? Ok, so KD wants money for a Central defender but why did we spend 35m on a player we didnt really need? can someone explain that to me? Absolute bollox!
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Raul on sale??? wow this club never ceases to amaze me! strange things keep happening in this club! are we just cursed or bewitched... what-tha......? For once we have a decent group of players and before we can have a decent season wiv dem we already want to ship out the good ones ? Ok, so KD wants money for a Central defender but why did we spend 35m on a player we didnt really need? can someone explain that to me? Absolute bollox! I agree Rafa used to get a lot of stick for his transfer policy but it's no worst that Kenny's - who seems to be willing to throw whatever money takes to get a player so long as they are young and British I can't be the only one who thinks that we could have spent the money we have shelled out since January so much better than we have Meireles was one of our best players last season and was one of the reasons why we finished strongly. It's no coincidence that we comfortably beat Sunderland away from home last season yet almost got beat by them on our own turf on Saturday It's ludicrous and literally beggars belief that Meireles and Kuyt - two of our best players last season - were excluded from Saturday's starting 11 Anybody who thinks Henderson is a better player needs medical help
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Raul on sale??? wow this club never ceases to amaze me! strange things keep happening in this club! are we just cursed or bewitched... what-tha......? For once we have a decent group of players and before we can have a decent season wiv dem we already want to ship out the good ones ? Ok, so KD wants money for a Central defender but why did we spend 35m on a player we didnt really need? can someone explain that to me? Absolute bollox! I agree Rafa used to get a lot of stick for his transfer policy but it's no worst that Kenny's - who seems to be willing to throw whatever money takes to get a player so long as they are young and British I can't be the only one who thinks that we could have spent the money we have shelled out since January so much better than we have Meireles was one of our best players last season and was one of the reasons why we finished strongly. It's no coincidence that we comfortably beat Sunderland away from home last season yet almost got beat by them on our own turf on Saturday It's ludicrous and literally beggars belief that Meireles and Kuyt - two of our best players last season - were excluded from Saturday's starting 11 Anybody who thinks Henderson is a better player needs medical help I agree to a point. I did think that Adam was actually very good though. I think that Kuyt is a must on the right, or better yet, up front. Henderson is a CM, so keep him there. I think that we should of shelled out for a RW, we need one.
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Raul on sale??? wow this club never ceases to amaze me! strange things keep happening in this club! are we just cursed or bewitched... what-tha......? For once we have a decent group of players and before we can have a decent season wiv dem we already want to ship out the good ones ? Ok, so KD wants money for a Central defender but why did we spend 35m on a player we didnt really need? can someone explain that to me? Absolute bollox! I agree Rafa used to get a lot of stick for his transfer policy but it's no worst that Kenny's - who seems to be willing to throw whatever money takes to get a player so long as they are young and British I can't be the only one who thinks that we could have spent the money we have shelled out since January so much better than we have Meireles was one of our best players last season and was one of the reasons why we finished strongly. It's no coincidence that we comfortably beat Sunderland away from home last season yet almost got beat by them on our own turf on Saturday It's ludicrous and literally beggars belief that Meireles and Kuyt - two of our best players last season - were excluded from Saturday's starting 11 Anybody who thinks Henderson is a better player needs medical help i think we should have brought a winger instead of henderson. apart from that we have done good business suarez and downing look very good, enrique is a good LB, im not a fan of either adam nor carroll but i will not judge them so early in their lfc careers. but i agree we could and should have more to show for our 100m. but it is very early days so i will get too worried about anything just yet.
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Apart from a small purple patch last season where Meireles kept finding the net, he's been nothing special for us at all. His tackling is an embarrassment and he is too weak for a central midfielder - anyone and everyone muscles him off the ball. It's all well and good having depth to the squad but the one area where we are truly overloaded is central midfield. Currently, we have Gerrard, Poulsen, Aquilani, Shelvey, Spearing, Lucas, Adam, Henderson and Raul. Far too many unused players fighting for 2 places.
I'd rather him than Shelvey or Poulsen but if we do need to sell a player to raise funds for an area of weakness then he must be 1st out the door. Although he's better than shelvey and poulsen (and possibly spearing), none of them would command any kind of fee to make much difference.
The smart money is on Meireles being gone by the end of the transfer window. If the rumours are true about Chelsea switching their attentions to him instead of Modric then I say we should push a deal through quickly so we can buy a much needed centre back for a decent fee instead of getting robbed blind at the last minute like we were with Carroll.
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I know I'll probably get shot and abused for this, but if we don't finish top 4 then I think Kenny has a lot to answer for re transfers. Sure downing suarez enrique all look good, but that is only half the budget, in fact less than half. On the other side we have adam and henderson (didn't need either of them, CM was the one place we were top 4 quality already) and Carroll. For 35 million, we could have had a real quality no. 9. It isn't the 80s anymore, you need more than the big man little man dynamic. I think Carroll will score goals for us, but you can see he doesn't have the talent to be special. And we could have had special for that money.
Now if we sell meireles, somehting is seriously wrong. He is one of our better players, certainly far better than henderson and we are selling him for half of what we paid for henderson?!? Really?!?!
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Apart from a small purple patch last season where Meireles kept finding the net, he's been nothing special for us at all. His tackling is an embarrassment and he is too weak for a central midfielder - anyone and everyone muscles him off the ball. It's all well and good having depth to the squad but the one area where we are truly overloaded is central midfield. Currently, we have Gerrard, Poulsen, Aquilani, Shelvey, Spearing, Lucas, Adam, Henderson and Raul. Far too many unused players fighting for 2 places.
I'd rather him than Shelvey or Poulsen but if we do need to sell a player to raise funds for an area of weakness then he must be 1st out the door. Although he's better than shelvey and poulsen (and possibly spearing), none of them would command any kind of fee to make much difference.
The smart money is on Meireles being gone by the end of the transfer window. If the rumours are true about Chelsea switching their attentions to him instead of Modric then I say we should push a deal through quickly so we can buy a much needed centre back for a decent fee instead of getting robbed blind at the last minute like we were with Carroll. Mate when u're building a team, u dont sell ur better players unless they demand to leave ala Xabi, Owen, Cesc, Christiano, ...etc. True he's no bulldog , but thats not his strength and he wanst brought to do that (thats Lucas' job), I thought he was brought in as a creative midfielder with a free role - a role in which he thrived most last season and was able to get those goals for us including the vital one away at the bridge... Raul has already established himself at the club with a superb debut season, selling him would be taking one step forward and two steps back...I would rather we sell the likes of Poulsen, Insua, N'gog, El'Zah,...etc for whatever we can get and then look to top-up on whatever amount we get. That said if Chelsea are offering anythin in the region of 20-25m, I'LL TAKE IT 
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i think we should have brought a winger instead of henderson. apart from that we have done good business suarez and downing look very good, enrique is a good LB, im not a fan of either adam nor carroll but i will not judge them so early in their lfc careers. but i agree we could and should have more to show for our 100m. but it is very early days so i will get too worried about anything just yet.
I agree - Henderson was an unnecessary signing - even more so given his huge and completely unjustifiable transfer fee We could have got Mata for less than that - had Kenny wanted him, which he clearly doesn't - a player that really would have added to our squad Adam and Downing did look good - very good in the first half - Jose Enrique plated satisfactorily, and it's good to see Suarez is still firing on all cylinders It's not all doom and gloom but I think we all agreed before the weekend that 3 pts against Sunderland was a must - and we were unable to get them
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But I don't think Raul IS one of our better players. Selling a 'surplus-to-requirements' midfielder to strengthen a not-so-good defence isn't 2 steps backwards in my opinion. Forget your personal opinion on Raul for a moment and look at it a different way: What is better for the club?
A) keeping Raul and relying on the current defenders
B) selling Raul and strengthening defence
The way I see it, we could VERY easily cope with losing Raul but are we going to make top 4 relying on:
the 'ageing' carragher
the 'injury-prone' agger
the 'average' skrtel
the 'erratic' kyrgiakos
Vert unlikely. But could we manage with a central midfield pool of lucas, gerrard, henderson, adam, spearing, shelvey, aquilani? Quite easily.
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I thought he was brought in as a creative midfielder with a free role - a role in which he thrived most last season and was able to get those goals for us including the vital one away at the bridge... Raul has already established himself at the club with a superb debut season, selling him would be taking one step forward and two steps back...
All true Whilst i can understand fans wanting to see the back of Poulsen, El'Zahr, N'Gog, Shelvey even Joe Cole etc I cannot fathom why they seem so keen to get rid of Meireles - one of the only bright things to come out of last season - and Aquilani - who has yet to be handed a chance in a res shirt despite stealing the show in pre-season and yet who kenny clearly sees no value in despite his protestations to the contary Rafa used to get a lot of criticism for his team selections and judgement of players - some of it fair, some of it not - but if what we've seen so far this season is anything to go by, Kenny seems no better
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