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And whats the problem with you if we buy young players? Do you want us to buy old farts? If you read the post you'd see what my concerns are, but I'll re-iterate: We are paying over the top for players, apparently because they are young, and therefore will have decent re-sale value. The flaw in this is that clubs won't be bale to spend so much on players under the new eufa ruling, meaning that transfer values could very easily be reigned back down to sensible levels, meaning we would have to take a big hit if we wanted to get rid of anyone. and impossible to prove today. Rooney and Ferdinand were bought by Manu for silly money, yet have been worth every penny at some point since then, Rooney would still be old for a profit. What we do know is payments are staggered and linked to acheivements at LFC(Carroll was Torres money so didn't matter). Wages on these players are significantly lower than senior professionals at the club. We do know Torres was 110k and it has been reported that Suarez and Carrol combined are equal to that sum, throw in Babel as well and we are already quids in with hungrier, younger players. If this policy continues then it should bare fruit, a squad of hungry improving players on good but not silly salaries. If a player then wants to leave we will be able to cash in and replace using the same criteria. This is not knew, Keegan left and Dalglish was brought in, Souness - McMahon and Molby; Rush - Barnes, Beardsley, Aldo; Each time we upgraded to an equal player or certainly a young good replacement. This constant clamber for a big star on the cheap will not materialise under NESV nor should it. City and Chelsea have been lumbered with high earners in the squad or out on loan who they cannot shift on. This wis not the way to build a team and both will at some point come unstuck. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks that we paid too much for Carroll & Henderson! :-) I probably agree with that sentiment. Your comments were not based on that though, they were about re-sale vaue and the end of big spending. I remember Trevor Francis (brum to forest)the first £1mil player and the comments were the same then. It will end soon and all that, look at is now. All you seem to do is crticise every move the club makes without no real basis for reason, if we don't spend NESV are pocketing all our money i,f we do spend we are over spending. Your comments are conflicting, what exactly do you want?
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Nawaz I don't think it is remotely foolish to suggest Carroll at 35 million was an over spend. I do however think it is too easy to get caught up in that. If he turns out to be top drawer, gives us a few seasons of 20-25+ goals and sells for anything above 20 mill I'd take that every day of the week, better yet, stay at Liverpool his whole career and make it as a legend. I'm not suggesting his success is a definite, far from it, but we shouldn't get too caught up in something like that when we addressed a situation that was a problem, relying on one striker. A far more glaring problem is the fact that we have spent a wedge on 2 CMs that (whilst it's up for debate as to whether they are any better or worse than what we currently have) do not significantly improve our first team, nor do they fill the obvious gaps in it.
Still plenty of time to go, I'm confident we will bring in most of what's needed to have a competent top end starting 11.
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Hey henderson is supposed to play on right wing. And when gerrard is injured we had to play the likes of spearing into the team who for me is not good enough.so we bought adam for that. So how does buying some one we didnt need come in?
‘There are only two
sides in Liverpool – one is red
and one is blue and the blue side
are the reserves.’
-Bill Shankly.
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If that is aimed at me, again your gonna need to point out where I said buying someone we didn't need, cause I have re-read what I wrote, and I didn't say that, you have once again made up that up.
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All this moaning about fees is getting boring...who cares how much we spend..it's not my money or your Money..it's fenway's. John Henry is a shrewd business man whow ants to improve the club, if he thinks its ok to spend 35 mil on carroll and 13 on henderson then let him... As fans all we should do is trust his and Kenny's judgement and support the new players. Some people on these forms are hoping Kenny, Henderson and Carroll all fail so they can say I told you so.... Get behind the club and the players...if we have Andy Carrol for 10 years and he gets 15-20 goals a season and win laods of silverware and we let him go on a free, it will ahve been good business..if he fails and we sell him for 15/20 mil...well thats hard luck but no one on thsi forum will be out of pocket so stop complaining PLEASE
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I've never heard a city fan say they are overpaying or united 35m for berbatov 20m or close to for carrick just be happy we have money to spend on players Kenny wants. Worry bout your own bank balance and let NESV worry about theirs.
Thinks could be much worse we could be like everton villa or us last season with vultures picking our bones. Be happy with what we got we were almost facing administration last year and we really would have had something to moan about then.
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All this moaning about fees is getting boring...who cares how much we spend..it's not my money or your Money..it's fenway's. John Henry is a shrewd business man whow ants to improve the club, if he thinks its ok to spend 35 mil on carroll and 13 on henderson then let him... As fans all we should do is trust his and Kenny's judgement and support the new players. Some people on these forms are hoping Kenny, Henderson and Carroll all fail so they can say I told you so.... Get behind the club and the players...if we have Andy Carrol for 10 years and he gets 15-20 goals a season and win laods of silverware and we let him go on a free, it will ahve been good business..if he fails and we sell him for 15/20 mil...well thats hard luck but no one on thsi forum will be out of pocket so stop complaining PLEASE Some people are missing the point. It's not a case of "who care's, it's not my money. It's a case of we have "x" to spend on players each year. If the full amount is spent on 2 massively over priced players the concern is that we won;t have enough to spend on key weak areas.
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I agree ALSER but 35 million for a large bottle of newquay brown?
Last edited by Armitage; 12/07/11 01:48 AM.
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citys mega stadium deal blows the fair play arguments out the water - they can justify spending as there income will be from these sponsorship deals. next itll be anotha multi million pound shirt deal or something
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citys mega stadium deal blows the fair play arguments out the water - they can justify spending as there income will be from these sponsorship deals. next itll be anotha multi million pound shirt deal or something i would love to see the fair play rule work but cant really see it. i think clubs will find a loop hole round it
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