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A lot of people think that we have paid considerably over the odds for the likes of Carroll, Henderson and whoever else is to follow. I've read that we are prepared to pay big money for young players as part of Henry's policy in ensuring that they have a decent re-sale value. For me, this is a plan with several flaws:
1) If a player is worth a big transfer fee then why would we want to sell them, unless they get to a stage where they are too old or not good enough anymore - in which case, there will be no windfall 2) Inflation: things change and I can't see the transfer market maintaining the current crazy levels so we could be stuck with high value players that we no longer want or no one is prepared to pay the fee we require because of market changes 3) Following on from point 1, is Henry's plan for us to become profitable by the sale of our top players once they reach a peak? This will indeed make him wealthy but it won't make us successful 4) Following on from point 2, with the new UEFA fair play rules, clubs may not be able to keep paying huge transfer fees meaning our chances of cashing in on the Carrolls and Hendersons of the world may not happen.
Any thoughts on the above possible problems?
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I can only comment that how about this as a problem like the previous owners
we sell Torres buy nobody last December we dont buy Henderson or anybody else
I really cant understand all the moaning about transfer fee's I don't care as long as we move forward.
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The main reason in buying young talents is they serve for long time. What if henderson becomes as good as gerrard? I am sure even with ffp real madrid would be ready to pay 50mill for him. And if on one wanted him then he could stay with up cuz he will still be young and can serve the club.
‘There are only two sides in Liverpool – one is red and one is blue and the blue side are the reserves.’
-Bill Shankly.
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And whats the problem with you if we buy young players? Do you want us to buy old farts?
‘There are only two sides in Liverpool – one is red and one is blue and the blue side are the reserves.’
-Bill Shankly.
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And whats the problem with you if we buy young players? Do you want us to buy old farts? If you read the post you'd see what my concerns are, but I'll re-iterate: We are paying over the top for players, apparently because they are young, and therefore will have decent re-sale value. The flaw in this is that clubs won't be bale to spend so much on players under the new eufa ruling, meaning that transfer values could very easily be reigned back down to sensible levels, meaning we would have to take a big hit if we wanted to get rid of anyone.
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do the clubs view the sale of a player for less than they paid for him but had him for 4 seasons as a profit? i thought i saw that in some older thread but i could be misinterpreting it. if thats the logic then buying henderson for 16m, having him at the club for 3 or 4 years and then selling him for only 10m, is that viewed as a prfit?
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I think you're completely nit-picking with this topic, and once again just twisting the owners' words to put a negative slant on them. There are so many ifs and buts involved, and i just feel you're trying to make a picture purely black and white when there are so many grey areas involved.
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And whats the problem with you if we buy young players? Do you want us to buy old farts? If you read the post you'd see what my concerns are, but I'll re-iterate: We are paying over the top for players, apparently because they are young, and therefore will have decent re-sale value. The flaw in this is that clubs won't be bale to spend so much on players under the new eufa ruling, meaning that transfer values could very easily be reigned back down to sensible levels, meaning we would have to take a big hit if we wanted to get rid of anyone. your comment reflects only your opinion and impossible to prove today. Rooney and Ferdinand were bought by Manu for silly money, yet have been worth every penny at some point since then, Rooney would still be old for a profit. What we do know is payments are staggered and linked to acheivements at LFC(Carroll was Torres money so didn't matter). Wages on these players are significantly lower than senior professionals at the club. We do know Torres was 110k and it has been reported that Suarez and Carrol combined are equal to that sum, throw in Babel as well and we are already quids in with hungrier, younger players. If this policy continues then it should bare fruit, a squad of hungry improving players on good but not silly salaries. If a player then wants to leave we will be able to cash in and replace using the same criteria. This is not knew, Keegan left and Dalglish was brought in, Souness - McMahon and Molby; Rush - Barnes, Beardsley, Aldo; Each time we upgraded to an equal player or certainly a young good replacement. This constant clamber for a big star on the cheap will not materialise under NESV nor should it. City and Chelsea have been lumbered with high earners in the squad or out on loan who they cannot shift on. This wis not the way to build a team and both will at some point come unstuck.
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And whats the problem with you if we buy young players? Do you want us to buy old farts? If you read the post you'd see what my concerns are, but I'll re-iterate: We are paying over the top for players, apparently because they are young, and therefore will have decent re-sale value. The flaw in this is that clubs won't be bale to spend so much on players under the new eufa ruling, meaning that transfer values could very easily be reigned back down to sensible levels, meaning we would have to take a big hit if we wanted to get rid of anyone. your comment reflects only your opinion and impossible to prove today. Rooney and Ferdinand were bought by Manu for silly money, yet have been worth every penny at some point since then, Rooney would still be old for a profit. What we do know is payments are staggered and linked to acheivements at LFC(Carroll was Torres money so didn't matter). Wages on these players are significantly lower than senior professionals at the club. We do know Torres was 110k and it has been reported that Suarez and Carrol combined are equal to that sum, throw in Babel as well and we are already quids in with hungrier, younger players. If this policy continues then it should bare fruit, a squad of hungry improving players on good but not silly salaries. If a player then wants to leave we will be able to cash in and replace using the same criteria. This is not knew, Keegan left and Dalglish was brought in, Souness - McMahon and Molby; Rush - Barnes, Beardsley, Aldo; Each time we upgraded to an equal player or certainly a young good replacement. This constant clamber for a big star on the cheap will not materialise under NESV nor should it. City and Chelsea have been lumbered with high earners in the squad or out on loan who they cannot shift on. This wis not the way to build a team and both will at some point come unstuck. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks that we paid too much for Carroll & Henderson! :-)
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Yea. There is no shortage of fools around the world.
‘There are only two sides in Liverpool – one is red and one is blue and the blue side are the reserves.’
-Bill Shankly.
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