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fowler was out on the lash quite regularly under the evans regime. This is my worry with the likes of Carroll its unbelivable the effect ale has on the modern day footballer. I think thats why capello said what he did about him in the press a few months ago.

An excellent post earlier about owen and fowler never really hitting the heights there talent deserved, once owens hamstrings started to go he lost it as did folwer after a few injury breakdowns. Owen though still looks classy albeit in very short spells. Sometimes when he gets the ball he makes me think back to the good old days when he had that lightening pace. Owen & Fowler where both fantastic at times and it was just a pity there partnership never really took off

Fowler too

To be honest he was in decline since 1997 but every so often after then he would have a game where he'd bag a hattrick no other player would have been capable of scoring - away against Aston Villa in 1998 and Leicester City in 2001 being two examples I instantly remember

It was quite sad really as most fans thought this sh*t hot young player who had an instictive eye for goal would just get better and better - but it never happened

I agree though - his short-lived career at the pinnacle of the game should be a telling story to youngsters tempted to dabble althoiugh with today's money-obssesed plauers i'm sure his financial success from his property empire is the thing they focus on most

Fair comment on Owen and Fowler. A bit early to say that about Torres it was a mucky deal and that must have affected him plus Boas will work hard with him. Who knows how he will do but its this season to judge him on.

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In the 94/95, 95/96 & 96/87 seasons, Robbie Fowler got 31, 36 and 31 goals respectively. That was before his injuries started, but just to put that into perspective, that's 98 goals in 3 seasons. The only other season he had before that, he got 18 goals. This is a young lad just through the ranks. Torres had many years at Atletico before coming to us, and didn't have as an impressive of a goal return as that (obviously because he didn't play as many games, cos of injury). He was sublime, but i think Fowler in those years was better - he had the consistency over a longer amount of time. Torres had one outstanding season, another where he did well when he wasn't injured, and then 1 year and a half where he spent the majority of the time injured/sulking. He was a great player for us, but doesn't deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as Robbie Fowler.

However, you can't say Torres is more or less on the decline now just because he's had a bad 6 months with Chelsea. Yes, he was poor for us before that aswell, but i'd attribute a lot of that to his unhappiness and wanting out. I'd say judge him on how he does at Chelsea at the end of next season.

"Torres had one outstanding season, another where he did well when he wasn't injured, and then 1 year and a half where he spent the majority of the time injured/sulking. He was a great player for us, but doesn't deserve to be spoken of in the same breath as Robbie Fowler."

For strikers like Fowler, Owen and Torres the only criteria you can use is goals per games, and it stands like this

Fowler = 183 in 369 (0.49 goals per game)
Owen = 158 in 297 (0.53 goals per game)
Torres = 81 in 142 (0.57 goals per game)

That makes Toreres record the most impressive and Fowler's the least

You’re right in that Fowler during his first 4 seasons was probably the best striker we’ve had since the premiership started – but you could make an equally convincing case for saying the same about Torres based on his first two seasons

You can only go on the overall record and Fowler is handicapped by his last few unproductive seasons during his first spell at Anfield - but so too Torres

"However, you can't say Torres is more or less on the decline now just because he's had a bad 6 months with Chelsea. Yes, he was poor for us before that as well, but i'd attribute a lot of that to his unhappiness and wanting out. I'd say judge him on how he does at Chelsea at the end of next season."

Of course but Torres hasn’t even looked remotely like the sh*t hot striker who banged in 233 goals in his first season. He’s certainly not finished yet but even during his unhappy spell at Liverpool in the first half of the season he bagged 9 goals in 26 appearances, which isn’t great, by is far better than the 1 in 18 he got whilst he was playing at Chelsea - a club he clearly loves fasr more than he ever did liverpool, and is completely committed to despite the fact that most Chelsea fan hate his guts

I actually can't believe what you're trying to say. When it comes to Liverpool FC there is NO comparison between Robbie Fowler and Fernando Torres, and i'd shoot down anybody who tried to say so, because it's f*cking ludicrous! I know Torres had a better goals to games ratio than Fowler, which was why i made a point about the overall consistency. Also, Fowler was at Liverpool a hell of a lot longer than Torres was. Goals to games ratios can tell lies. If a player plays two games for a club and scores 2 goals, it gives him a better ratio, but doesn't necessarily make him a better player or a better servant. Fowler's goals to games ratio is also skewed downwards by the fact that he was in decline/out of favour towards the end of his first spell and during his whole second spell. A lot of his appearances during these times were from the bench. Torres could have continued to play for us for another 5 years, and continued on in the form he's shown for his last 18 months - where would his goals to games ratio be then?

Based on what he has done rather than what he could do and pre injury my vote would be Fowler. But in a sense its a strange debate because to see either at their best was worth the admnission money alone. Not only were both prolific scorers but they could things that would make you gasp. Lets be gratefull we saw them both play

[quote=BarLennonI actually can't believe what you're trying to say. When it comes to Liverpool FC there is NO comparison between Robbie Fowler and Fernando Torres, and i'd shoot down anybody who tried to say so, because it's f*cking ludicrous! [/quote]

I can't believe what you are actually saying. The title of the thread is who is our best striker since the start of the Premiership. Since we all agree that the three great strikers are by far and a way Fowler, Torres and Owen we have to try to compare them to find out which one we think best. The fact that Fowler played for Liverpool for more seasons than Torres has absolutely no bearing on which of the two were the better striker

Not necessarily, but i'm not basing it on that alone. There are tons of factors, and in my opinion Fowler comes out on top on almost all of them. And when all is said and done, and all the factors weighed up, it's really a no contest. If you disagree and think Torres has been the best, then that's your opinion, but if it is your opinion then please just state it. If on the other hand, you agree, then stop disagreeing, lol.