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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
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I think you can only be world class if you have proved yourself in deifferent leagues and internationally.


Using that logic questionmarks would be placed over proper world class players like Ronaldo and Messi - neither of whom have reproduced their club form for their country

And Messi has only played in the spanish league

Rooney has on the whole been massively disappointing for England but it's worth remembering that arguably his finest hour was in an England shirt in Euro 2004

Emp has it right on this one - an on-form Rooney is a world class player.

We might not like it (personally I think he's probably the most repugnant individual to have ever worn a football shirt and i wish him nothing but ill will) but I don't think we can really question his quality

Fernando Torres was certainly world class during his first two seasons at Liverpool - we might hate him now but surely noone would argue against that

He looks anything but at the moment - and long may it continue


Agree with everything you said bar the fact that world class players can sometimes not play well for their countries but a world class player can produce magic at an international level on more than one occasion it may not be consistent but if that player does it more than once he's world class in my eyes. Providing of course he does it regularly for his club at a high standard champ league etc.

Messi - You know he does it for Barca but for Argentina he hasn't performed to his usual level but a player whose world class still shows glimpse at that level which make him world class in all our eyes,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwB3CBQjMl0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZMGYlIZJQ

Similarly

Ronaldo and Rooney have done it and shown glimpses, with Rooney however he seems to have shown those glimpses for England when he was young or still an out of control player.


Upcoming world class players IMO for 2014 WORLD CUP:
K-P Boateng, Gotze, Sturridge, Kroos, Lucas Leiva, Hummels, Kyriakos Papadopoulos,
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I think that's probably right Desh

In today's global multi-million pound football world, club always seems to take precedence over country

England are of merely one of many international teams whose players seem incapable of performimg to the same standard they do for their clubs

Of all the great, world-class players over the last 10-15 years, Ronaldo (the buck-toothed Brazilian) was the only one I can think of whose best moments came with his country rather than his club

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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
I think that's probably right Desh

In today's global multi-million pound football world, club always seems to take precedence over country

England are of merely one of many international teams whose players seem incapable of performimg to the same standard they do for their clubs

Of all the great, world-class players over the last 10-15 years, Ronaldo (the buck-toothed Brazilian) was the only one I can think of whose best moments came with his country rather than his club


That's because international football these days is nowhere near as competitive as club football. As spectators, we have also got used to a far higher standard of football on display with weekly coverage of the top players in the world competing in the champions league. In essence, as fans we have been spoilt which is why so many people these days can't be bothered to watch internationals, especially when all too often the top players are "injured".....If they don't care why should we?

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