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Using that logic questionmarks would be placed over proper world class players like Ronaldo and Messi - neither of whom have reproduced their club form for their country

And Messi has only played in the spanish league

Rooney has on the whole been massively disappointing for England but it's worth remembering that arguably his finest hour was in an England shirt in Euro 2004

Emp has it right on this one - an on-form Rooney is a world class player.

We might not like it (personally I think he's probably the most repugnant individual to have ever worn a football shirt and i wish him nothing but ill will) but I don't think we can really question his quality

Fernando Torres was certainly world class during his first two seasons at Liverpool - we might hate him now but surely noone would argue against that

He looks anything but at the moment - and long may it continue

I think that's probably right Desh

In today's global multi-million pound football world, club always seems to take precedence over country

England are of merely one of many international teams whose players seem incapable of performimg to the same standard they do for their clubs

Of all the great, world-class players over the last 10-15 years, Ronaldo (the buck-toothed Brazilian) was the only one I can think of whose best moments came with his country rather than his club