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may i just correct you. Roy averaged 1.25points per game. Kenny has averaged 1.81points per game. why is this only slightly better?
Rafa last season averaged 1.68points per game. we are far better off under Dalglish and also have a bit of injury crisis. What was you really expecting from a new manager?
if Dalglish maintains his average points tally we are a top 5 club. If we invest in new players as expected then a top 4 club is achievable next season. Beyond that is difficult to fathom. I feel we are doing ok, But I also am optimistic about the future. We are never in the press, we are not in debt, the club is together for the first time in years. jump on board it's going to be great although a bit bumpy at first.

You may only correct me if I am wrong - I said "overall" record, ie not just the league games.

Kenny has been in charge for 16 games with the following record:

Played 16
Won 6
Drawn 4
Lost 6

Roy's first 16 games gave him the following record:

Played 16
Won 6
Drawn 6
Lost 4


So it's very easy to argue that Roy actually had a better record. I know we all love Kenny for what he did in the past but if Roy's record was nowhere near good enough then neither is Kenny's.
I'll pre-empt your next argument which is probably that Kenny has taken us higher up the table, but due to their similar win/loss figures, that tells us as much about the other teams around us than it does our own.

Even despite the horrific loss on the weekend, Liverpool are still one of the top few in terms of points earned in the 11 EPL games Kenny has been in charge (the other form sides all drew their last game). This despite our injury crisis (including Carroll's absence for more than half those games). Try not to forget that we don't have a fit fullback on either flank in the squad, our captain has not played for 5 weeks and may miss the remainder of the season, and our best center back can't play more than 3 games in a row without being injured. Despite this, all of our last 3 goals conceded have been penalties due to individual blunders by a single player (one of which came from him being fouled), as well as the "offside" goal against Wigan that cost us 2 points.

I think Kenny's doing quite well in extremely difficult circumstances.

Apparantley we are top of the form table since Kenny took over.

False, CarheeX. It's not easy to argue Roy has a better record. 5 of those wins in his first 16 games came against European minnows that he beat with our reserve team (N'Gog, our powerhouse striker, scoring 6 times, iirc). So those 6 wins include only a single victory in the EPL: WBA, who we struggled to beat at home.

Is that the same WBA that now has the useless Hodgson at the helm, and that beat us at the weekend with Kenny pulling the strings??

I'll put my argument in clearer way; in all competitions, after their first 16 games in charge Roy Hodgson had a better record than Kenny Dalglish - that is a fact not an opinion. To add weight to my argument, Roy also had to focus on his job with all the brou-ha-ha surrounding the uncertainty of the takeover with a very demoralised squad who had just lost rafa benitez.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hodgson fan, but if you think that KD is doing so much better that he deserves a permanent contract then your love for his previous achievements is massively clouding your judgement.

Apparantley we are top of the form table since Kenny took over.

I'll put my argument in a clearer way; compare apples with apples. If you consider home and away wins against a team from Macedonia to have the same weight as beating Man U (home) and Chelsea (away), then you need your head read. If you consider our exit in the first round of the League Cup (at home to Northampton) is the same as our exit in the first round of the FA Cup (away at Old Trafford with KD in charge less than 24 hours, where Howard Webb gives a them penalty after 23 seconds for a dive), then you need your head read further.

To add weight to my argument, consider that Liverpool's most expensive player jumped ship with 3 days left in the transfer window (the same player who scored the winner against the WBA of old), forcing Kenny to sign an injured striker and another from Ajax who had not played for a month due to suspension. Consider also that Steven Gerrard has played no more than 5 of Kenny's 16, where Hodgson had Torres for all but 2 matches.

You need to compare apples with apples.
Europe. Roy P10 W7 D3 L0 Kenny P4 W1 D2 L1
Obviously Roy's record here is clearly better, but one must not lose sight of the 4 qualifying games against sides not fit to play in the Championship, and that Kenny's loss came against a CL-qualified side who had beaten Arsenal on the same ground.
Cups. Both managers P1 L1, but Roy's loss to Northampton was pathetic, while Kenny's loss to Howard Webb on this first day is simply unfortunate.
EPL. After 8 EPL games Roy had us in the relegation zone, having won only 1 match. After 8 EPL games Kenny had won 5 and only lost 1. After those 8 Roy managed to have us playing as inconsistently as Kenny has us playing now - so that's a wash.

I think Kenny is doing a lot better than Roy, and that has nothing to do with who he was 20 years ago. And that's a fact, not an opinion.

Kenny is doing a great job. When he took over we were a squad of zombies. Now it was to late for some player ( and maybe more in time ). So personally I think the only job Kenny could do before the end of the season was to get back some belief in the team and the club. I don't see anything wrong with the January signings, If we did not buy Carroll now he would have cost alot more in the summer, The club also tried to do a lot more bussiness but other clubs were not interested (because its January) so we done OK

Don't think Kenny is the man for the job, but I think he has done pretty well, and I think it would take a very brave man not to give Kenny the job after doing pretty well, as the backlash would be enormous...especially if the new manager didn't hit the ground running. In the end I think it will simply be a case of if kenny gets 6th, the owners feel they have to give him the job, hopefully for no longer than 2 years though.