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Those are all interesting facts. The last season he was incharge was considered not acceptable as we finished the season in 7th, but look how far we have sunk now. Would I take rafa back? Probably not because he had no control of the players in the final games Roy will no way finish anyehere near 7th.


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Originally Posted By: El Toro Rojo
Ha! You lot want Rafa back? Really?

I mean...........


I keep saying this...why doesn't anyone remember how difficult it was to work under Hicks/Gillet - NO MANAGER COULD HAVE DONE BETTER....most would have left when it was leaked that Klinsmann was interviewed!
Nobody knows what the working climate was like in those final years and putting the club up for sale did not benefit morale to any player or employee. We all say he lost the dressing room....look at those players he lost now and tell me they are better than before. It was the players who lost their passion - not Rafa.

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We are going to fight in relegate zone this season, hence Roy is the right person for this task. :P

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We need new management for sure. Going for Roy was a rash decision by bad ownership, but going back to Rafa is like getting back with your ex-girlfriend....... destined to fail once again.

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Originally Posted By: 9.fowler
We are going to fight in relegate zone this season, hence Roy is the right person for this task. :P


I understand the humour, but unfortunately even this task isn't one Roy could excel at. 2 of his previous 3 EPL clubs didn't beat the drop because he put them in so much sh*t his replacement couldn't keep the club up.

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
Those are all interesting facts. The last season he was incharge was considered not acceptable as we finished the season in 7th, but look how far we have sunk now. Would I take rafa back? Probably not because he had no control of the players in the final games Roy will no way finish anyehere near 7th.


Bang on mate, he is not the right man for LFC now. However, 'the grass is always greener' and alot of fans took him for granted. I think we need someone younger and determined to prove themselves.

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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Rafa got the sack because:
1. He was a tyrant who wanted complete control over transfers (silly, man - who did he think he was? Shankly? [Go read Shankly's story about how many owners he had bust-ups with regarding control of funding for an interesting parallel])
2. He didn't know what he was doing in the transfer market (other than buying players like Torres, Reina, and Alonso for example)
3. He couldn't beat Havant and Waterloo or Reading (despite thrashing Real and United)
4. Zonal marking doesn't work (despite all the clean sheets and unbeaten run records we set using it)
5. He played boring defensive football (despite all the scoring records we set using his system)
6. He lost the dressing room as a result of the Alonso saga (despite the fact that it takes two to destroy a working relationship)

Anything I missed? Oh yeah...
7. Because Roy Hodgson is a good manager.


i can see where you are coming from and personally Rafa coming back might not be a great idea. However alot of what he has left is great. I am fortunate through my involvment in local youth football to see the transformation of the academy sides. Playing between the lines and showing a far higher technical level than their peers, all since the new coaches Rafa installed. Frankly Rafa became obssessed and couldn't understand why the club dithered so much. He therefore set about a revolution in thinking but unfortunately upset too many of the old school as well as the british press. I feel he would flourish under FSG as they both share a winning philospohy and the need to progress smartly. sadly the scares have not healed.

his buys under Moores vs Hicks/Gillete show you that his thought process was sound. The recruitment of freebies and older players in the last 18mths have crippled the club. Now with the archaic Hodgson we are in freefall. Is the appointment of a man with motivation /vision such as Rafa such a bad idea?

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nah! we are deperate now tho! everyone knows raffas not coming back at all wink


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I'm not Rafas biggest fan but but he's about the only decent manager out there right now that A) would take the job and B) Is attainable right NOW.

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Originally Posted By: cp1972
i can see where you are coming from and personally Rafa coming back might not be a great idea. However alot of what he has left is great. I am fortunate through my involvment in local youth football to see the transformation of the academy sides. Playing between the lines and showing a far higher technical level than their peers, all since the new coaches Rafa installed. Frankly Rafa became obssessed and couldn't understand why the club dithered so much. He therefore set about a revolution in thinking but unfortunately upset too many of the old school as well as the british press. I feel he would flourish under FSG as they both share a winning philospohy and the need to progress smartly. sadly the scares have not healed.

his buys under Moores vs Hicks/Gillete show you that his thought process was sound. The recruitment of freebies and older players in the last 18mths have crippled the club. Now with the archaic Hodgson we are in freefall. Is the appointment of a man with motivation /vision such as Rafa such a bad idea?


I was actually just trying on the HRH Hodgson excuses for size, and they really are pathetic, aren't they? (My typical responses to the Roy Brigade are in brackets) I just don't think that Rafa is the right guy for LFC *right now* though. Too much water under the bridge, despite his tactical awareness and generally sound planning.

I like the idea of bringing in someone young, driven, someone interested in winning games rather than planning for 0-0 and then spending the rest of the game rubbing his face when the opposition go ahead.

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