KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum How many of you want Torres?

If his morale is low because he has no belief in the manager, but then the manager tells him unless he gets on with the job (but no change of tactics is forthcoming) he'll be sold in disgrace, he'll happily walk. I would too.

I'd choose Torres over Roy every day of the week. You're choosing the other way. The greatest likelihood is that both are gone in the summer.

hes not putting the effort in i no but there is no service our midfield is lacklustre with no desire to get forward, i also have noticed our midfield keeps coming back to our defence to pik the ball up as our defence arnt good enough to bring it out.

I would pick Nando over Roy every time,he needs a kick up the arse,if that doesn't work well then he can go.

How much is he paid £130,000 a week or something like that,he needs to cop on and pick his game up.

He just needs to play for a good manager. Its what the whole team need. Keep Torres, get a proper manager in and he'll be back to his best.

Really not sure?

Does Torres want Liverpool ? he didn't last night!

Torres wants to win things and said we need 4 or 5 really good players to help win things. So, who is brought in in the summer? Poulson, Koncheski. OK, Raul and Joe Cole were good signings but the others were shocking. He is also playing with the same crap players like Lucas, Kiri, Ngog. I think he wants to be here but is just [oops] off with it all.

Oh and the choice of manager was a joke and he knows it.

I think people place too much importance on the idea that someone earning a lot of money for something necessarily tries harder than an average person with an average salary at a desk nearby. They don't. They try just as hard as everyone else; they just get better results when they do so. But they also get disappointed as easily as anyone else, and anyone who has watched Torres during his career will know that he's temperamental. He's not like Stevie G or Carra; fighters who will scrap for every yard just because they can. Without confidence Torres is nothing, and without a team he can have confidence in, even less so. Look at him during the World Cup. blah blah injuries - did you see the sh*t service he got? It was appalling! David Villa got exactly the same cr*p when he played up front; Iniesta and Xavi were so interested in increasing their annual pass completion rates they forgot to try to win the game. Torres totally switched off because Spain seemed determined to play without him.

Just like Liverpool.

That's the way he is. And therefore you try to manage that; but Roy's not even trying. We may have been shocking last season, and Torres spent just about more time on the treatment table than the pitch, but he still scored d*mn nearly a goal a game. This season? Not so much, but he's still scored more than anyone else. I'd keep him; build a team around him. That would make him feel special, would give him the determination to be proud of the shirt. But I'm not the manager.

Torres has been in a Liverpool team in which the manager has so far showed no priase to the players

Nobody is saying that Roys tactics are not stifling him,but nando has to try harder.

Try harder to do what? You can't watch someone harder while they hoof it passed you.