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You can't transform crap players into greats with good tactics.

You can transform great players into crap with terrible tactics.

just got in from the game and for me Hodgson messed up big time tonite. Firstly he should never of changed the team to accomadate Gerrard, the team must always come first, we seen tonite why Steven Gerrard will never be a central midfielder while he has a hole in his ar*e simply because the man has no discilpline in his game. The other reason he messed up was splitting up Lucas and Meireles, Meireles is a central midfielder not a right sided one so you either play him in the centre or not at all. One of the other reasons I think Hodgson messed up is, that you cant play a team with 9 men all the time, I say 9 men because we have carried Torres and Kuyt all season, these two dirty, stinking imposters have conned the life out of the fan's all season and fans need to wise up. I have backed Roy Hodgson all season against the majority of people on here, not because I think he is or is'nt a good manager just for the fact I dont think any manager who has a big rebuilding job on should be sacked after one season and definately not after 7 games like Liverpool fans wanted, I still stick by my argument in that any manager should be judged when he has all his own players in and the team is playing the way the manager wants, he should also be given the same money to spend as previous managers, I think that's the fairest way to judge any manager, not just ours. If Hodgson does get replaced I personaly dont want that sh*thouse Dalglish in charge as it was him who started the demise of the Club in the first place and he has'nt got the gutts for a fight which was proved when he bottled it and walked out last time. If they were to give the job to that monster Benitez then am afraid my 35 years of going the match, 25 years as a season ticket holder will come to an end. I have said in previous posts on here that these problems we are having are not down to Hodgson but just down to the demise of a once great Club over the last 20 odd years it's been a gradual thing which happened to other great Clubs like Leeds Utd in the 70's and Everton in the 80's, it's just now it's happend to us and our fans find it hard to accept it so they keep bringing up past history which is always the last throw of the dice of once proud fans.

they wont bring back raffa! and i dont think to be honest we have the luxury of time to hope roy gets it right, its too scary to sit tight and seems less scary to cut our losses with roy, i feel that kenny could get the team playing again till we find a new man,we are all panicked yes! but the gut feeling is, roy must go

Good points reclaim, think your being a tad harsh over torres. What do you expect when the ball is launched up to him by pepe all of 90mins. Last season we where still creating chances, this season where not

As many of you are aware tonights performance was awful and by far the worst of this season.
Hodgson has lost my remaining respect for him, like most people I was giving him a chance as I belived over a few seasons with a bit of money he could bring a different type of winning football to Liverpool, something we have never seen before or in ages.
However everything that makes Liverpool great bekons upon us having a quick fix to win the league in possibley 2-3 years. Our history and our glory of being Englands most succesful club will be over run my Man Utd when they next win the title, whenever that maybe.

People were saying when we went on that small run of wins a month or so ago we were on the way to recovery. [oops]!
All we did was play football against teams who were so unbelivabley [oops] and shattered of confidence in West Ham and Aston Villa (teams in decline), you could also through Chelsea into that mix to an extent.

The facts are in all our home games the highest possesion figure we have had is 62 % which is average. Our average home possesion figure is 52% which is horrific when you consider a title challenging teams away possesion record should be roughly that.

Theres also the fact that Hodgson has no plan B for his patented 4-4-2 formation, If Plan A is stiflled he has no back up plan. Those of you who have watched Fulham play will have also noticed this from last season, the most obvious e.g being Europa league final: Played well then Atletico turned it on and they couldn't change there plan and just got penned in, trying to play up to single target man to try to score with 10 men defending and the striker not being able to hold the ball up.

Lastly these are the reasons I can remember for wanting us to sack Benitez:
Built bad squad
Doesn't play attacking football
Doesn't change matches in right time using subs,
Bad tranfer record
Bad man management
Owners issue
Weird subs

Firstly, the press and commentators overaly critisised our team, when in actual fact our team wasn't that bad. Hodgson in the first month we got the new owners said that we needed 4-6 new players to improve the squad, yet two weeks ago its gone down to 1 or 2 players needed in his opinion.

Playing defensive football is better than playing losing football by miles, it goes back to the debate with Mourinho do you want attractive football or winning football. Similarly do you want defensive football or losing football considering in Hodgsons whole time in England he has only won 8 away matches ever.

Benitez always made 3 substitutes in all games, however some argue that the 2nd or 3rd sub would come on too late. In comparison if you haven't noticed Hodgson rarely makes 2 or 3 substitutes in a match and barely does anything during a match on the sidelines. At least Rafa barely sat down and was always meticulous with his work on the sidelines, whether it was shouting tactics, hand movements, substitues, or constant communication with coaches seated behind him.

We all know Rafa was hot and cold in the transfer market, He had belters and stinkers. However if you look at Roy's signings so far being, Poulson, Konchesky, Auerelio and Meireles, only Merieles stands a chance of being desent as in a title winning squad rotation player, all the rest are flops.
Joe Cole wasn't even signed by Roy as he admitted last week in an interview about Joe's form, so no credit there.

Benitez was rumoured to being so meticulous when it came to his work only the real proffesionals would be ok under his management, the players who rely on people telling them they are the best and giving them hugs and the lot suffered under him as seen with Babel, Keane, Riera, Lucas, Bellamy.
Hodgson on the other hand is better as he is less of a perfectionist and concentrates a little more on the squad's conditioning than the small details, this benefits the players such as Babel, but weighs down on the big players at the club such as Reina, Cole, Torres, Johnson, as they wtop working on the small details in their game that makes them different from the rest.

The ownership issue was complex, but both managers in the end had no say in the matter, altough Benitez did plead his case and got the supporters to see how bad the owners were from himself seeing them first hand.

I also want to mention weird subs that in the end got Rafa sacked with that Birmingham game coming to mind when Torres was subbed off. At the time you thought WTF is he doing but now we know exactly what he was doing, trying to prevent Torres from becoming the player he is today, a shadow of himself. Hodgson has done the same thing as Benitez except sicne he hasn't has any proper high profile must win games, no one has taking notice of what he's done. Numerous times this season he has made subs and team choices based on the Auzzy medical teams and there opinion, an e.g of this is the Utrecht game where Torres didn't start, like wise at Birmingham it was pre arranged for Torres to come off at 60-70 mins as he knee wouldn't hold up longer, which in the end it didn't.

Lastly Benitez fought with everyone when it came to the respect of this club, no matter how high profile or low profile you were if you disrespected the club in any way you'd get verbal abuse from Rafa. e.g Rafa rant, Itandje Hillsboruogh incident, Riera Lfc sinking ship, etc

Hodgson is the complete opposite he is more interested in keeping his spotless image of being Mr Nice Guy rather than defend LFC in any shape or form. He has even done worse by asking us to lower our expectations and ambitions to his [oops] lfc playing level, this is LFC the most succesful side in England FOR NOW and you want us to lower our expectations is unbeleivable. Also to state in all post match interviews that we have played ok or not bad when we get hammerred or play horrifc is not very ambitious is it, especialy when it's after the Everton, Stoke, Newcastle and Wolves games.
Post match Wolves - "I think we can consider ourselves a bit unlucky to lose it, I think 0-0 would not have been an unfair result but there you go. They got a lucky break and put the ball away so we lose all three points and disappoint our fans yet again."
0-0 against bottom of the table Wolves would dissapoint the fans let alone a loss.

I'm not posting this to say lets get back Rafa Benitez. What I'm asking for all the people wanting him sacked and I've asked my friend who wanted Rafa gone as well, Why are we allowing Hodgson who has alredy brought Liverpool down from where Rafa left us last season continue being our manager.

IMO I'd love to see a new manager brought in (Personaly Andre Villas-Boas is my choice), but for the time being we have too managers who want to be LFC manager right here in Liverpool in kenny Dalglish and Rafa Benitez. The owners and hierarchy at the club believe if Kenny comes back and does poor then it may tarnish his reputaion, so why not bring in rafa for the end of the season because he can't get worse one a top 7 as the squad is the same and let Commoli do the transfers. Because at worst rafa left us in the Europa league, with Hodgson you can see us finishing lower than the likes of Bolton, Sunderland and maybe Blackpool. ALso Hogson has a 1 yr contract and the owners are stingy so he'll defo be goingby minimum of the summer

YNWA

Comments.....

Below is the team that beat Real Madrid 4-0 at Anfield. Nine of these players played some part tonight.

In addition we have Joe Cole, Raul Meirelles, Glen Johnson.

I just don't see how we can say the players aren't good enough.


Liverpool: Reina, Arbeloa, Skrtel, Carragher, Aurelio, Alonso (Lucas 60), Mascherano, Kuyt, Gerrard (Spearing 74), Babel, Torres (Dossena 83).
Subs Not Used: Cavalieri, Hyypia, Ngog, Kelly.

my mind is scrambled now so not sure anymore if foreign manager will be good if he doesnt know our league cos of us being so low in table we need to hit the ground running,i feel kenny could sort us short term to keep us up so they can make it clear its just for now so as to protect him

maybe if you look at them individually then you can come to the conclusion that most of them are good players. but the balance of the squad is terrible. for example we've got no real wingers and only one striker that's good enough (n'gog is doing a pretty good job but shouldn't be seen as good enough for lfc)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcv11hWfzMI

who deleted my topic - swines.

Yes, the end is nigh.

you into conspiracy theories swede?