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#92908 12/12/10 08:27 AM
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reclaim did you say fulham had a good away record are you joking

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Previous post, supplemental.

It doesn't take 6 months to turn a side around. It takes a good manager. Look at Spurs. They were bottom of the table at Christmas '08. Hired 'Arry. He got them out of the relegation zone very quickly, and they finished 11th. 12 months later they were 4th.

*That* is what a good manager does. Obvious signs of improvement immediately, and then sustained good performance thereafter.

A side that continues to struggle, with results and standard of play that never seem to improve, are signs they have not replaced the old manager with a good manager. Sorry, mates, maybe you're not capable of understanding this point, but that doesn't stop it being true. Roy isn't good enough.

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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
Also I'm pretty surprised at the hatred against Torres. He's playing poorly no doubt. He looks a bit lazy, but he played well in a couple of games recently setting up others for goals and chances. And he's playing in a team that is performing poorly, and defensively. If the team starts playign well, you'll see Torres playing well. If he isn't up for it, then Hodgson shouldn't be playing him. The buck stops with the manager, as always. And he's not doing his job.

Just an aside here, personally I would not have picked Torres for this game. Not only did Babel and N'Gog do well against Villa, but Torres' wife has just given birth. Anyone here who is a father knows that Torres' mind is not on his football right now, and if his wife is back home he got not a moment's sleep all week. It's not an excuse for him to play poorly, but it's not without reason that most companies give maternity leave to husbands immediately after their wives give birth.

Do we blame Torres or Roy here? Really not a difficult decision.

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Originally Posted By: thundyr
It doesn't take 6 months to turn a side around. It takes a good manager. Look at Spurs. They were bottom of the table at Christmas '08. Hired 'Arry. He got them out of the relegation zone very quickly, and they finished 11th. 12 months later they were 4th.

Correction: they finished 8th.

#92918 12/12/10 12:14 PM
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its just to easy to say,we're not winning sack the manager.we did it with Rafa we're doing it with Roy.eventually a manager will have to come in and sort out the real problems.

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You're right kernow,who are we going to replace him with mid season?,99% of people on here are looking for a Mourinhoesque type manager and that is not going to happen at the moment.


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I want a young manger who is going to be given time to turn things around

Roy is and always was a stop gap manager. To steady the ship, the problem is Roy is slowly sinking the ship

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Dunno that we're looking for a Mourinho, wakka. We're looking for a Shanks or a Sir Bob; a manager who will come to LFC and only leave when he retires. We're looking for someone to build a team by starting with the core of the current squad, expand it, instill it with values and team spirit, take it somewhere. Mourinho doesn't do these things: he fires them up, wins a trophy, and then leaves. Roy isn't doing any of these things either, and that's the real worry (in addition to his poor results and inability to motivate the players). Whether this perfect manager exists or not is for debate, and even if he does it seems unlikely he'll join us at the drop of a hat.

How long can we continue to wait though? Perhaps Roy won't get us relegated, but a club that finishes 7th and then say 12th is not going to be top of the list of "valued employers" in the minds of the top players, both those players we have and those we want. We MUST finish in the top 6, and yet that task seems increasingly difficult.

We as LFC fans don't mind taking the long road, but we are aware that the road forward does not involve going backwards first. A detour perhaps, but never backwards. "Things must get worse before they improve"; yes, I agree, but inflicting problems on ourselves as we currently are isn't the way to go about the later improvement.

I think we all know that Roy is here until at least the summer, and I for one am dreading the coming transfer window as a result.

#92953 12/12/10 03:45 PM
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Yeah!

God help us when Roy gets his hands on a vaste transfer kitty!

Dempsey, Carlton Cole...

Why not go after a gret defender like Sol Campbell too?

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no it will be gera and of course Anton Ferdinand

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