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I thought here were numerous moments today when our players just didn't look like they knew what they were supposed to be doing. Balls played into space where no-one's made the run, defense all over the place - Lucas ended up playing pretty much right next to Skrtel at the end.

It's been months since Roy took over, I wouldn't really expect to see some of the sloppiness we saw today by now.

EMP just like i thought.... you'd keep quite after posting such crap. no explanation because you just realised you sound just like the guys you spent all your time slating last season for standing by a manager roy could only dream of being...

He's just another raham Taylor - in fact i've more respect for Taylor. What was he rubbing his eyes like that for - has he suddenly woken up and realised his not managing a team in the latvian second division.

Come on emp, you're not even being subtle now. You might as well just post "RAFA SUCKS ROY IS GREAT NOW GIVE ME ATTENTION PLEASE!"

Blame Rafa when we lose praise roy when we win?....actually does not merit a response.

start begging!!!!... answer me this then. think we all agree that our club is 1 of, if not the biggest job in football. would roy have been chose to manage any of the other top teams?... no of coure he wouldn't. because he is not and never been a top manager and his results here, fulham and blackburn prove it and his lower league achievements are not much better.EMP im not having ago but he as been here long enough to put his stamp on the team and it's just not happened. you can't blame rafa when we lose and give roy the credit when we win....in my opinion we are worse this season than we were last season with no sign of improvement.....

We were sliding big time last season and it's going to take time to stop and put right, definately longer the December

You guys need to get off of Emp's dick. I'm glad someone supports Roy. Someone has to, We should be supporting anyone who takes the role of Manager. He obviously is working hard. I don't know if you guys saw RH get frustrated today on the sideline but it was there. Stop flaming one person cause he's alright with the current manager.

I'd love to stop flaming emp if his comments made any sense. But they don't. Rafa would have drawn, but Roy lost, therefore Roy is better because he's building towards something? What complete bullsh*t!

Surely after 5 months of Roy seeing these players every day, we as fans should begin to see the fruits of his labours? If what we can see is that the players have no ability to play as a team, have poor morale, and can't be arsed to play, then surely one can draw the conclusion that the root of the problem is not the players themselves, but that they have no belief in the manager. The reasons for this lack of faith are irrelevant - either the manager can fix it or he can't. Rafa got sacked for exactly this issue, remember? I'm not saying he didn't deserve it, but I am saying that if this is a reason to sack a manager, then Roy should have been gone a long time ago. Otherwise the rumoured fire-sale of all top LFC players during the summer to line H&Gs pockets would have been to our benefit. Those of you saying it's the fault of the players and NOT the manager, remind yourselves what you thought about culling the squad 6 months ago. People don't forget how to play football, but they can certainly by made to not want to play by a manager who simply isn't capable.

Roy getting frustrated on the sidelines means nothing if he does nothing about it. I'm frustrated too! Cast your mind back to the Northampton game; did Roy looked frustrated that day? Did he do anything to help his floundering team? No. What about yesterday? Again, no. Sign of a poor manager right there.

But somehow Roy is a genius for taking a team that won 5 in row in the Europa Cup (admittedly against rubbish sides, but including two away), and would draw with 10 men against Arsenal, to being outplayed week-in and week-out barring Blackburn, West Ham, and Aston Villa (the dregs of the league, and all at home). We certainly didn't outplay Bolton, Chelsea or WBA, and those are the only other games we f*cking won outside a masterclass from SG against Napoli! This is NOT a sign of genius, gentlemen, nor is it a sign that we're building towards anything whatsoever.

I'm pleased that you're willing to stand by the manager, but right now he's taking the ship down with him, and all you have are rubbish excuses that are not based in reality. I said during the week that a win against Villa was the least we should expect against such a poor side, but Roy needed to show it wasn't a flash in the pan. Now that we played a masterful side with an amazing home record (W 2 D 3 L 3), and showed our true ability, what can we say about Roy's ability to get the best out of this squad? He f*cking can't, and if that is true at this stage of the season, then he never will.

ROY OUT!

Rubbish! Roy bought a lot of players to help stop the slide; only one of whom is any good. But we haven't stopped, nor shown any sign of slowing down. We lost 8 games away last season, which is a very big number for a top 4-6 club, yet we've already lost 6 away out of only 9 this season! Is that what you call "improvement"? Roy's career away record doesn't suggest that we will only have lost 6 away come the end of the season, does it?

If we were heading in the right direction, the least we should expect is that our most recent results would be fair to good, right? That would show that we're coming to terms with new formations or tactics or whatever. But we've lost the last 3 in a row away, all of which have seen us in total disarray at the end of the 90. I'd like to believe, but I see no evidence.

On home form, Roy at least is on a par with Rafa's record, having only lost 1 to Rafa's season-long 3 home losses. If we're good at home, but poor away, then surely the players know what they're doing, but the change in "tactics" when travelling throws them into disarray. Still comes down to management.

If you have a bad squad you deal with it. You give one to the people who need a rocket, you find a reliable tactic, and work hard at getting everyone on the same page. That is what management is about. Roy isn't dealing. Lucas as a CB at the death against Newcastle? Is that Lucas's fault, or does he not understand what his manager wants? Does his manager even know what he should be doing? This amount of disorder is directly the manager's responsibility, and if the axe is to fall on anyone under these circumstances it must be the manager who gets it first. Maybe he should not be the only one to be sacked, but he must be first in line because he is failing at the fundamentals of the job. The manager is the foundation; if you have a poor foundation you will never get anywhere, no matter how good the squad is.