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When do you want RH to give Pacheco a chance. He's young, he doesn't understand the game like Kuyt or Gerrard does. Poulsen knows more then he does. Don't even compare him to other players now, think, if we lost the game cause Pacheco was on the field doing nothing. How good of a manager would that make RH look? It's better to put experience over youth especially at the stage we are at. Over time, he will be in the first team, it could be soon too especially if we lose a bunch of players, why not put pacheco, but for now we have too many high paid players that would be doing nothing but sitting on a bench. there is a priority system.
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He's been nominated for the Golden Boy along with talents such as Balotelli and Wiltshire, won the U19's Golden boot award sdo he has talent there's no denying that at all. He should be given a go, at least a place on the bench, and if not no-one would begrudge him wanting to leave.
"When should he be given a go" you ask?? Well look at some of the youngsters that Wenger has given a go, Macheda from ManUre and see when they were given a go. Sometimes in BIG Games. If the kid has talent, which he clearly has, he could be an "X" factor in coming when we need something different to snag a point or win...or when a game is in control (not very often lately) to give him a run!
Unfortunately the style of football we play under Roy doesn't allow this to happen.
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There's a lot of debate here as to whether or not Pacheco has the talent to play in the first team, and the truth is that we honestly don't know whether he does because we simply haven't seen him play for a long time.
Problem is that I believe there are several factors that count against him, regardless of his skill.
a) The first team is under-performing (ignoring the why for now), so it's a risk to put an untried player on the bench until we have stability.
b) We have any number of players who are capable enough to play in the hole or as a second striker, which are apparently the positions Pacheco is best at, so there is no need at this stage to compound the risk in (a) when we have proven players in those positions (Cole, Gerrard, N'Gog, Babel etc)
c) Roy has decided to trust Shelvey enough to give him games - yet another central midfielder.
Under these conditions, but mainly because of (a), Pacheco's chances are extremely limited. He is talented, but lacks direction, and more directionless play is not what we want right now. I'm not saying they are the same kind of person, but let's not forget that Babel was also fantastic at age-level events but couldn't really make the step up to the first team, could he? Good at 19 does not imply good at 21.
So he's stuck right now, and I'm not surprised that he wants out because he knows he should be getting on the pitch more often. But under this manager he has no chance. If we were sitting in the top 4 where we should be (and had we beaten Northampton) the whole dynamic changes - Gerrard and Torres would not need to play 4 games in two weeks, and Pacheco would have had his chances along with Shelvey (potentially). Regardless of who you blame for the start to our season, Pacheco no longer has a place in the senior squad.
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If he wants out, I really cant blame him because he hasnt got much opportunites to show his supposed talent. Good luck to him.
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pacheco has had a couple of chance and really done nothing he is not the type of player liverpool need and as some one else said is he better than gerrard ,kuyt or even cole or ngog i dont think he is so he does nt play
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NESV keep going on about youth being the way forward. Unfortunately we have a manager who relies far too much on older players. This season is already a write-off so why not try the Arsenal way for a change.
We should be seeing much more of Pacheco, Wilson, Shelvey, Ecclestone, Spearing, Kelly etc. Instead we get Poulson, Konchesky and Carra, Aurelio, who, with the greatest respect, are all on the slippery slope. I'm not saying they are all going to be fantastic but we can't find out with them playing for the stiffs.
I'm sick to death of the club buying in talented and highly rated youngsters, only to ruin every single one of them through a lack of trust and poor coaching.
If I were Pacheco I'd think this were some kind of bad joke. The first team is as bad as it has been for 30 years and he still can't even get a sniff of a game. If you were to drop 8 of the so called superstars and put the 'reserves' in, could we possibly be any worse?
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There's a lot of debate here as to whether or not Pacheco has the talent to play in the first team, and the truth is that we honestly don't know whether he does because we simply haven't seen him play for a long time.
Problem is that I believe there are several factors that count against him, regardless of his skill.
a) The first team is under-performing (ignoring the why for now), so it's a risk to put an untried player on the bench until we have stability.
b) We have any number of players who are capable enough to play in the hole or as a second striker, which are apparently the positions Pacheco is best at, so there is no need at this stage to compound the risk in (a) when we have proven players in those positions (Cole, Gerrard, N'Gog, Babel etc)
c) Roy has decided to trust Shelvey enough to give him games - yet another central midfielder.
Under these conditions, but mainly because of (a), Pacheco's chances are extremely limited. He is talented, but lacks direction, and more directionless play is not what we want right now. I'm not saying they are the same kind of person, but let's not forget that Babel was also fantastic at age-level events but couldn't really make the step up to the first team, could he? Good at 19 does not imply good at 21.
So he's stuck right now, and I'm not surprised that he wants out because he knows he should be getting on the pitch more often. But under this manager he has no chance. If we were sitting in the top 4 where we should be (and had we beaten Northampton) the whole dynamic changes - Gerrard and Torres would not need to play 4 games in two weeks, and Pacheco would have had his chances along with Shelvey (potentially). Regardless of who you blame for the start to our season, Pacheco no longer has a place in the senior squad. I sort of agree with you. I find it bizarre that we have 3 central midfielders on the pitch and a further 3 central midfielders on the bench(shelvy,spearing,poulson). So any opportunity to change the game is lost before we start. McMahon has indicated that Pacheco is being taught to play right/left midfield in order that he can be used more in the first team. seems a reasonable thing to do I suppose. However if he is a 2nd striker why not play him there? Hodgson has a poor record with youth and by choice has no involvement with the Academy. Total opposite to Rafa.
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6551553,00.html
New 4 year contracts for Pacheco and Kelly.
Get in there!
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_6551553,00.html
New 4 year contracts for Pacheco and Kelly.
Get in there! Can we close this thread for 3 or 4 more years now then please? 
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No we cant he has one of those top secret get out thingys in his contract 
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