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That record was earned from his first two seasons at the Club, what we are seeing now and have done from some time is a half ar*ed injury prone waster who is just biding his time before he gets his move, he's a man living off past reputation.

I gotta agree with Reclaim here, torres has not been the striker we know of in the first season. He doesnt seem to be trying at all and even against chelsea when he scored 2 goals, he still seemed unhappy. Im beginning to dislike his attitude as the games come by. If he wants to go to barca and play with his beloved country man than so be it, good luck to him, use the money to buy a striker and wingers to solve our attacking problem.

I very much doubt that Torres thinks about whether or not he should be playing for Barcelona. Even if they did beat Real Madrid 5-0 yesterday. He may consider it from time to time, but I really doubt that's why he's not performing. He knows where he is, and he doesn't strike me as a dreamer. We won't lose him because he likes Barcelona; we'll lose him because Liverpool is a shiite football club for someone rated in the top 3 strikers IN THE WORLD.

Having said that, yes he's not been great this season for us. Usually he scores much more often - so far this season he's a goal every 3 games in the EPL; half his career average for us. But maybe you should look around at our other goal scorers. Gerrard has 3. A goal every 5? When last was he this poor? 2 of those 3 are from the penalty spot as well (both of which Torres crafted, but that's irrelevant to most people, of course). Our next highest scorer is Krygiakos! Okay, tied with Maxi, but the point remains. If you take Gerrard's lone goal from open play (a Torres assist), the 2 from set pieces by the Greek, and Maxi's two (one of which is a Torres assist), you get up to the 5 Torres has scored. Anyone failing to spot the pattern here? Torres might be under-performing, but he's had a hand in damn nearly every goal we've scored, and has scored as many goals as the next 3 top scorers from open play PUT TOGETHER!

If you can't see that the root problem is not Torres, then you need to review your double standards. We're a team that plays without a plan. It doesn't matter who you put on the pitch, they will struggle to score goals, and will generally fail to get a result against any team that plays WITH a plan (which seems like everyone else other than West Ham and Wolves right now).

I wasn't talking about his goalscoring form, he has been decent scoring and assisting almost every game so far but the point am making is that his attitude and body language on the pitch is disgusting. You can tell he is not happu and whether he wants to be here or not, thats something we dont know yet but for the time being, he should atleast show more character on the pitch.

That's fair enough, but he's doing his job - which is to score goals. If he has a problem with motivation the manager should be talking to him about it, don't you think?

EDIT: just a point on goals scored (not aimed at anyone, just a comment) - Torres is joint 15th in the league, level with Bale. For Spurs only VdVaart has scored more (6). Poor season for Torres or not, he's hardly off the pace, is he?

But hey even a half trying Torres did a better job then Paul Konchesky

The point I'm making is that it most certainly isn't the fault of Torres, who some seem to believe is not worth our time despite the fact that we lie as high as 10th only because of his efforts. If we lose him, and we will unless Roy makes wholesale changes to his "strategy" (if it can be called such), then don't expect us to perform as well as we have thus far this season (which is to say "worse than pathetic").

Torres total goals per season for Liverpool

2007/08 - 33
2008/09 - 17
2009/10 - 22
2010/11 - 05 - so far.

Not the record of a waster,this crap of him sulking and showing bad body language is just that.

Them stats prove that he is not living of his first 2 seasons,seems like some have become Skywashed.

Am afraid the term waster also covers a half ars*d attitude similar in some ways as Mascherano, having said that at least Mascherano did try when he was on the pitch before he went on strike unlike Torres who just walks around shoulders slumped. Did anyone watch Torres body language when Spurs missed the penalty, I urge people to watch him and make there own minds up if he's really interested.

yea i saw that too. i absolutely love torres but that situation made me wonder if he even cares anymore.