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aotea #89689 21/11/10 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: aotea
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What do people want Andre Villas Boas for, the man has only won a mickey mouse Portugese Super Cup his record is as bad as Pellergrini managerial wise and is only the same as Roy's, lets just stick with the manager we have and he;s English.


he has been managing for barely more than a year, THAT'S what you should be focusing on when saying he isn't right for us. To say his record is the same as Roys and as bad as Pellegrinis is utterly ridiculous. How can you start to compare 1 year as manager Vs 40 years as manager
Am just looking at reasons why he should'nt be managing us and because he has'nt won anything and also because he has been managing for only about a year are good enough reasons for me. People on here have used the fact Hodgson has'nt won anything so am using the same reason against Andre Villas Boas, fairs, fair...

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What cause he is English? i wonder about you relcaim your like a lost child know seem to know jack [oops] about football but always boasting your opinion.

Just so you know the cup he has won is seen in football bigger achievement that anything roy has won in his 35years of experience.
What's wrong with prefering English over foreign if given the choice, you saying it's wrong or something, you will be telling me it's wrong to prefer England winning the Ashes next in case it offends the Aussies or some other foreign country.

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But fair is not fair, thats like saying Giggs is better than Bale because he has more trophies than him! Andre Vilas Boas after learning from one of the greatest coaches in the world in a few year of management took a team rooted to the bottom to mid table security which in any league is impressive and i think its safe to say he showed something special as after a year with Academia he was snapped up by the biggest team in the league.

How often does the biggest team in the league snap up a manager of a relagation canadidate?

This guy has went from strength to strength and in his short team has became a driven quality manager with Mourinho's technical abilities Benitez's attention to detail (we've seen with the personalised dvds for each player). And despite all this he is an attack minded manager with a love of attractive football.

Andre Vilas Boas has went straight to the top and won a cup and Roy Hodgson has spent 35 years and became a 'defend defend defend and just when they think we'll attack we'll defend some more and then maybe attack if theres time.'

Just the man for the job in my opinion worth every bit of a gamble and Liverpool's PR person has had Torres and Pepe both spouting that BS still not certain they'll stick with us if this doom and gloom football continues.

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http://mjpurpleaces.blogspot.com/2010/10/amazing-rise-of-andre-villas-boas.html

MONDAY, OCTOBER 4, 2010
The Amazing Rise of Andre Villas Boas

Some coaches get their shot with a major club at a relatively tender age (in coaching years, anyway). Barcelona's Pep Guardiola was 37 when he got the gig.
And there are those who get a crack at the big time without ever having played beyond amaetur level, like Aston Villa's Gerard Houllier. There's another, smaller subset which includes those who advanced to top jobs with little or no head-coaching experience, like Real Madrid's Jose Mourinho when he took over at Benfica.

But the above examples are all rare. Rarer still is a guy like Porto boss Andre Villas Boas, who falls squarely in all three categories and, if his vertical ascent continues, could herald a change in the way clubs recruit managers.

Mr. Villas Boas's side goes for its 12th consecutive win in a competitive match on Monday night when it makes the short drive inland to take on Vitoria Guimaraes. Right now, Porto is 11 for 11 in the Portuguese League, Europa League and Portuguese SuperCup. What's more, it has shut out the opposition in all but two games. And it did it despite the departure of two stalwarts – defender Bruno Alves and midfielder Raul Meireles – over the summer.

All of this is remarkable enough until you consider that Mr. Villas Boas is just 33 years old and, prior to this season, had just 23 league games' worth of managerial experience, all of them at Academica Coimbra, the provincial club which appointed him just over a year ago. When he took charge of Academica, it was winless and dead last. By the time the season was over, Mr. Villas Boas had guided it to respectability (11th place in the 16-team league) and to the semifinal of the Portuguese League Cup.

It was enough for Porto – one of the traditional Portuguese giants – to put its eggs in Mr. Villas Boas's basket in an attempt to bounce back from a rare season which saw it finish third, only the second time since 2002 that it failed to win the league.

Mr. Villas Boas was still a teenager when he started working in Porto's scouting department way back in the mid-1990s. The club was impressed both by the breadth of his tactical understanding and his ability to produce scouting reports players could digest easily. Yet he may never have gone any further if, in early 2002, the club had not turned to Mr. Mourinho, himself an unorthodox rising star of management. Mr. Mourinho took him under his wing, making Mr. Villas Boas an integral part of his staff, both at Porto, where he won two league titles, the Champions League and the UEFA Cup and later during his successful spells at Chelsea and Inter Milan. By the time he moved to Chelsea, Mr. Villas Boas's pre-match scouting included personalized DVDs for each player, outlining their direct opponent in the next game, including strengths, weaknesses and tendencies.

Given Mr. Mourinho's reputation, it was quite the calling card, and Mr. Villas Boas openly admits that it helped him land the Academica job. But he bristles at those who consider him Luke Skywalker to Mourinho's Yoda. Or, among his detractors, Mini Me to the self-anointed "Special One's" Dr. Evil.

While Mr. Villas Boas employs the 4-3-3 formation Mr. Mourinho used to such great effect at Chelsea, it's a more fluid system, with the wingers often turning into strikers. He lacks Mr. Mourinho's charisma – that unparalleled ability to seduce players, media and fans – and comes across as less confrontational and self-assured. On the other hand, he may be more tactically sophisticated and his Porto squad attacks more than Mourinho's teams at Chelsea and Inter (the jury's still out on Real Madrid).

It's tempting to call Mr. Villas Boas soccer's answer to Theo Epstein, who rose from the San Diego Padres' public relations department to become general manager of the Boston Red Sox at age 29. Both are outsiders who brought a novel approach to understanding the sport and landed important jobs at a young age. But the crucial difference is that Mr. Villas Boas's role is far more hands-on, running training sessions and making all the game-day decisions.

He's an interloper in the inner sanctum, having never played the game at any significant level. And while he's not the first to do so, those who came before him, like Mr. Houllier, served long apprenticeships working their way up through the lower leagues.

Mr. Villas Boas's appointment obviously owes a lot to his mentor. But it's also a bold move, a striking departure from the groupthink and conventional wisdom so prevalent in soccer. You'll know whether it worked the day you read a profile of Mr. Villas Boas that does not mention Mr. Mourinho.

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i don't know anything about him but we have a manager , all be it one that has got zero support from day 1. hard for any manager that.



he got zero support because he is the wrong man for the job - he is a joke, a laughing stock with his talk of historic victories and how a point against everton would have been a good result, if only that bunch of sh**kickers hadn't played us completely off the pitch in embarrassing fashion

i, for one, have had enough of watching us play with 1 goalkeeper, 9 defenders and torres up front on his own

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Can some one remind me what is the name of Barcelona coach again? think i forgot?

If i remember he didn't win anything? am i rite here? ok What has he achieved at a great club like Barcelona? ah thats rite so many cups and records i leave you all to figure out!

Point being is trying to say roy is English he should be manager shows what jack ass you are! and how little you know about football.

second to say he needs experience well i just pointed out how little experience you need if your born with talent to play or manager!


Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say

'We're Liverpool'.
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Originally Posted By: emp
i don't know anything about him but we have a manager , all be it one that has got zero support from day 1. hard for any manager that.


[oops]. Support from the fans or not, he knew he needed to prove himself, he gave himself 10 EPL games to do that, planned to focus on the EPL, and yet he FAILED UTTERLY. Don't say "He had no funds" again either, because no funds has been a Liverpool staple for 3 seasons - Benitez had us 10 points clear at the top of the league at Christmas with no funds AND Dossena, but Hodgson had us at the other end instead.

As I've said before, you're (plural, includes Reclaim) stuck so fast to the idea that Roy being English makes him a better manager than anyone we could hire that you're refusing to actually take a look at what's going on. You read the Daily Fail too much. We're 9th in the league now, Roy's best position since the season started. For reference under Benitez we were never worse than 9th in 6 YEARS. Not sure we were lower under Houllier either, which would make Roy the worst LFC manager in the last 12 seasons. Considering the last two managers got sacked for not being good enough, why the hell is Roy still here? Because he's English? You're having a laugh.

I think the only reason he's still here is that NESV are not prepared to make sweeping changes just yet until they understand football a little better. Which is why they appointed Commolli. A manager like Villas Boas won't be allowed to come in January anyway; his club will want him to see out the season. I do feel that this jeopardizes our chances of keeping especially Torres and Pacheco, but so many English people seem to want as few Spaniards in the squad as possible that this won't bother you. We'll it bothers me because these are some of our best players, and if Roy can't keep us in Europe we will be stuck with crap like Poulsen as DM for life because we won't be able to attract top quality foreign players to the club (they'll go to Spurs or City, trust me). I know! We should try to buy up the entire England squad! They're English, after all, so they have to be better than the players in the WORLD CUP WINNING Spanish team or U19 EURO RUNNERS UP team, right?

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the lfc fans have disgraced themselves this season ,utterly pathetic.


No more than the current manager has, mate.

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If its disgraceful to tell roy what team to pick (because he doesnt know how to do it ) then it is a pleasure.
90 percent of fans don't and didn't want poulson in the team.Taken roy about 20 matches to realise.
Not to mention

playing torres on his own up front with no support (his tactics make it impossible for torres to have support unless he uses a 4 4 2 ) which he doesnt often do because he poops in his pants without 7 man midfield

The fiasco surrounding johnson
(paper comments, is he a proven international or is he rubbish roy? we all know even if he has talent he doesnt fancy it so he should just do one. Related to the kelly question, kelly being far better far more composed on the ball at 20 years why does he not start more often)

Miereles on the wing

Konchesky (solid player for a first division outfit but at 4m + 2 players

Grinning like a .... after everton wiped the floor with us

Cole, employment as winger . Nice one !

Northampton fiasco ' i looked to the bench and there was noone there ' well you picked them dufus

Blackpool defeat which almost all of us saw coming at anfield

Putting the blame on individuals ie torres for why we don't score goals, and for that matter using jonson as a scapegoat, while i love to see jonson getting correct criticism its not good for him or the rest of the team if roy runs to his media friends cos he obviously isn't being listend to in the dressing room if he has to do that. Who is next if we lose 2 on the trot . Is it joe cole's fault because he lacks passion? OR Agger because he is too gifted or too injured?

I agree roy is going to take up to the heights of 8th position therefore we should be content because only 2 years ago we were in the european champions league final. Oh my god some fans are so intellectually challenged they think blind loyalty is everything.

And the other thing is no one puts the boot into roy because he hasnt won anything but because he never will win anything big difference - with his tactics it is impossible to dominate teams and if you cant dominate large periods of premier games you are going to get 1-1 draws or ooops the odd 0-1 defeat because players being human they make mistake at the end of the game

Babel - saying to him you have 3 months to prove yourself then not even picking him - what chance roy - personally i would not give him a chance but to say to the media that you are doing so and then not honoring your commitment makes you appear to be either a coward or duplicitous. I realise the media isn't everything but to roy it is a very important part of the game. What he is starting to learn is that hte media will hang him out to dry as he is not at fulham anymore and he cant say the other team was better than us because firstly player for player we should be top 4, and secondly, this attitude is alien to liverpool to accept before the match starts that the other team is better than us. I am no sports psychologist but wtf! how can you steam roll teams which we should be doing if not all the time at least now and again when you have this mentality of fear and of containment of oppostion!

Go back to fulham with your hot cocoa roy

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Only ones that is a disgraced is 2005 fans like you emp!

To think you want us to support a manager that has brought us back to ice age fck off, wonder who you think you are calling other fans disgrace cause they don't agree with your joke of opinions.

In fact its fan like you that is holding the club back your as bad a hicks gillet

If you had any good reason to back him i would understand!!! but what the hell has he done good for this club? don't give me this crap give him time great managers don't need time.

This is fcking Liverpool we shouldn't settle for second best and if you was a so called fan you would of know this, by knowing are history.


Last edited by lorenzo; 21/11/10 06:43 PM.

Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say

'We're Liverpool'.
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