KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Pacheco wants out!!

True hopefully we get the right manager next time alright. But we have to be strong enough to get rid of a manager if they are so evidently wrong for the club.

No point in keeping a manager who is a detriment to the club and is dragging it backwards just because we dont like to sack managers. Of course sacking a manager should not be taken lightly but sometimes if has to be done for the good of the club and thats the most important thing.

When we do appoint a new man hopefully its the right man, a young ambitious manager with a hunger to succeed and a desire to play football the way it should be played.

As you say the next managerial appointment could be one of the most important decisions in our history and the new owners have to get it right.

Well, no, not when it's the current management in question (the past management is only somewhat relative - not picking the 18-year old Pacheco is not the same as not picking the 19-year old Pacheco).

If someone says "Pacheco is quality, and the manager is an idiot for not playing him", replying with "he can't be that good, because if he was the manager would pick him" doesn't address the issue - you're assuming the manager is correct to not pick him. Maybe he isn't. Maybe he's not picking him for the wrong reasons. That's the question.

I have to say, personally, I'm not at all happy with Roy's approach of piling on the pressure through the media, and then blaming the players when things go wrong, especially when it's applied to the young players.

If he's whinging and moaning about not getting enough first team football and making noises that destabalise the club, the team and demoralise everybody let him know that he's of limited talent and send him on his way .... if he was true world class talent he'd have broken on to the scene by now - as did Fowler, Owen, Gazza, Giggs, Rooney, Messi, Maradonna .... the list of talented teeneagers to make it is quite long, but the list of average talent that were too busy mouthing off instead of concentrating on becoming better players and better professionals is a thousand times as long. What does he get a week - knowing our ludicrous wage structure probably 20 grand a week and he's complaining. He hasn't cleaned enough boots the precocious jumped fcuker...... that's what i'm saying.

I understand what your saying Aengilred.

But just because Pacheco is a year older doesnt mean he's a year better.

My point is that the current and previous management and coaching staff some who by the way where there when Rafa was see this kid in training day in day out and are better judged on the lads ability.

What we dont want johnyboy is another knee jerk reaction and replace Roy with the onyl available candidate ike we did by sacking Rafa. We may need to bide our time and get the right man for the job. You may as well way goodbye to this season. Our only hope is that maybe he can replicate some of that cup luck from last year and get us to an FA cup final.

Now you're talking .... unfortunately we'll have to look at Roy's face for the season ..... I'm not so sure even his mother ever loved it.

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-ar...oy-award/12044/

Arsenal's Wilshere, Liverpool's Pacheco and Mario Balotelli nominated for Golden Boy award

Read it a weep Murph. Not good enough indeed. Golden boot winner and now nominated for the golden boy award. Dani is respected as one the world's top young talent but of course Roy knows otherwise.

All the deluded fools like Murph can go on trusting Roy's judgement while he destroys our club by alienating talent and playing 2nd rate garbage.

Doesnt mean sweet FA.

The other two names you've just menttioned are first team regulars and have appeared for their countries.

Kind of hoping the problem is a strengh issue and not down to his ability.

It's not down to anything other than Roy not knowing talent when he sees it.

In the last 7 games of the season when Rafa was here (the games where Torres was out), Pacheco came on as sub 4 times, and was on the bench a further 2 times.

Rafa said in march of his last season, Pacheco was ready for first team starts. Pacheco would have been playing some first team football this season for sure. Now under Roy he can't even make the bench at all. Yet Poulson, Babel and spearing can The mind boggles.