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i will talk face to face no problem come the salisbury after game we will see then

the other thing I find funny is that rafa came from outside the uk and had to adapt to the premiership.

I don't see Roy having that excuse !!!!

But I am sure that is forgotten when comparing the two managers

You have just confirmed what I knew about your footballing knowledge when you have just said Hodgson got a better squad than what Benitez got. Benitez got a team which although was quite poor still won the Champions league apart from Alonso and Garcia, you seriously think Carragher at about 31, Skirtel, Johnson and Insua is a better defence than Finnan, Younger Carragher and younger big Sami and Riise, in midfield Kuyt, Mascherano, Lucas and Babel was better than Kewell, younger Gerrard, Hamann and Smicer although up front Torres when he does'nt sulk is better than Baros. I think I have wiped the floor with you yet again with your comments that Hodgson got a better team than Benitez as it's clear for all to see Gerard Houllier left a more healthier team than what Roy got and thats not even including the problems of Torres and Mascherano both wanting away with one sulking and the other going on strike. I wont waste any more time making you look stupid and clueless as you can do that all by yourself.

I think some of the problem is that Roy is English and a few people are desperate for an Englishman to succeed at a top club.

But just because he is English doesn't mean he he gets special treatment off me. I don't care if he comes from outer Mongolia, if he cannot do the job then he goes end off.

I think that's why the press give Roy a easy time because he is English, if he was a foreign manager they would be on his back by now !!!

I am afraid I quite disagree with your point there, I think the quite opposite in fact, I think the fans are taken in by this foreign is best policy and if Roy had been from abroad the fans would of accepted him better, lets face it they have mentioned people like Pellagrini taking over who has won fu*k all just like but because he is foreign they automaticaly think he's better.

To be fair Roy hasn't won anything either

I would love a Englishman to come through but there isn't that many who are that good

Houllier left rafa with

dudek
finnan -----hyppia --carra---- traore
otsemobor-henchoz-whitbread-warnock

smicer----gerrard--hamann---riise
------------biscan--------------kewell

-------------baros cisse
------------mellor pongolle

rafa left a squad containing

---------------reina
johnson--carra--agger--insua
Kelly-----Greek--skrtel-

kuyt-----masch--Lucas-----babel
maxi----aquilani-gerrard--reira

----------torres---- ngog
---------pacheco

spearing aswell

now the only players I'd take back if we could would be Sami, hamann, riise, warnock, maybe finnan aswell, but that'd be it.

I don't see why you guys are comparing the squads down to the players.

The key difference between the 2 managers boils down to management.

If the players don't respect you and doesn't want to play for you, even if you have the best players in the world nothing will change.

When Rafa came, he was like a ray of hope as he had a fantastic record at valencia. He commanded great respect from the best players in Spain and brought in people like Pepe, Torres, Xabi, Luis Garcia, Masch, etc etc. To be able to attract great players is a sign of a great manager. And to top it off, we played as a SOLID unit once rafa took over. I think we topped the table for the least number of goals conceded. THAT was a start for our crumbling squad left by GH. He went on to win the CL and made CL semis, finals a regular expectation for LFC fans. We became a team known to keep clean sheets and destroy the best teams in europe. Everyone feared us. Including Barca, Real, Milan, Inter (we beat all 4 of them with rafa at helm). You name it.

Under hodgson, there is NO respect from the players for him. They don't want to play for him and can't understand his negative approach. It's not the results that truly worry all of us. It's the way we lost the games. We were spineless and lost in all the defeats this season. Even the fellow relegation strugglers mock us and the way we play. There is NO respect from either our own players nor from other teams. Tell me, how're we going to progress as a club?

And all Roy cares about is 'rebuilding rebuilding rebuilding'. Rebuilding my ar5e. We have a much better squad that the teams above us and we shouldn't be in our league position in the first place with the players we have.

The only thing that requires rebuilding is probably roy's ar5e.

As far aas I am concerned there has been no improvement in our style of football since Roy has taken over. The games we have won, we haven't dominated possession at all. Even the Chelsea game we won, yes we scored two goals from 3-4 chances, but from what Is aw, they still had a majority of the possession. Losing games to the likes of Blackpool, Stoke etc because we let them come at us is a disgrace. The players also need to take responsibility for the form on the pitch but the style we are told to play leaves a lot to be desired.
Managers at LFC can't complain about not having a decent squad and all that sort of bullsh1t because the teams that are outplaying us have been recently promoted and haven't invested huge dollars either. Surely Wigan, Stoke, Blackpool don't have as a good a squad as ours? The fact is, no matter who we play anymore, they come at us and not only think they can win but BELIEVE they can WIN!!!

If we came out and bossed sides around then the fear would come back to those sides that we are expected to beat but we don't do that. We continuously sit back and wait for them to come at us and play long ball rubbish to one of the best strikers in the world (when fit) Have a look at the few goals we have scored this season and it has been playing decent balls forward along the ground to a running forward who can finish. And at some stage we even scored from corners...
Things will not change until the STYLE of football changes!

HOOOOORRRAAAAYYYYYY..... finally someone talking sense without being disrespectful. now listen up all you who are slating people for not wanting roy. my 1 and only problem with him is the boring style of football. no team as ever won anything playing that way and he shows no sign of changing and before you start name calling im sure we could all pick a team of 11 to go out and attack