It's clear that Torres and Gerrard are the difference, they paper over the cracks on how poor a team we are and how clueless Roy is tactically.
Reclaim, you are utterly deluded beyond measure.
I understand what your saying and they continue to get us out the shiiit, but, them players, merieles (not a right winger) gerrard, maxi Lucas torres and kuyt are better when they have the ball at their feet and the team looks better when we have the ball.
Our problems at the moment are sitting back all the time and that is making the players look bad, merieles is portugals captain, maxi gets in the argentina side, kuyt is brilliant for holland, lucas plays for brazil.
Roy isn't using the players properley, it was evident on Sunday, we looked far more comfortable when we had the ball than we do with out it. This is going to be the same all season so get used to it