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Not buying into that mate. Least under rafa we where in the champions league bar one season where we finished outside the top 4. Roy won't come near to the success that rafa and houllier had.

We've given to much time, it's time to be ruthless and get someone who players will perform to. If mourinho was in charge of us we wouldn't be where we are now, people have got to look at it that way. Even if rafa wa in charge we wouldn't

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I think it's pointless talking about giving the manager more time if he doesn't perform, simply just because we have new owners who don't work like that!

Just wait and see! The former Sox manager lasted less than 2 months after NESV had taken over there. He didn't perform at all! And i'm not just talking about points in the league now - NESV want entertanment on the pitch aswell, because that fills the stadium which in turn fills the box office with money!

Why will we fast become successful this time then? Just because the Yanks have invested in us, and won't let their investment turn out the wrong way! It's business for real now! The big difference between NESV and H&G is just that these guys do have a clue what the [oops] they're doing - as opposed to the latter wanks!

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you no what, im not gona say anything about him now, il just let the results speak for itself, and when he does get the chop, il laugh an say i told you so.

i dont agree with this giving the manager time when we no it not gona work out. Wel never win the league under this fellas style of football. We need a manager who has the right balance between attacking and defending, roys all the latter. Do you trust him to spend money in jan when your looking at the players hes signed

poulsen, kontchesky

and players he was linked with, Carlton cole eg

not good enough

I blame the previous oweners for our downfall. and now roy for taking us to the dizzy heights of 18th in the league with his negative footy
ofcorse we are not going to win the league under Roy,just like we would not win the league under any manager Liverpool are a Club which no longer wins leagues Like Everton and Villa have'nt for even longer than us. Give Roy the same money and time as the previous manager and we will judge him then, thats the fairest way to see if he is good enough to turn us into a top four club.


When was the last time everton or villa amassed 86 points in the league,a total that would have been sufficient to win it the previous 8 seasons?Maybe you are looking at the table upside down and you are so happy with roy?

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This thread throws up alot of debate, except in reclaims case, according to him we are mediocre so no point in supporting them, but for everyone else with all the various oppinions its seems theres one underlying feel, and that is hardly anyone seems to like Roy! or has little faith smirk


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Nothing to do with liking roy,i want whats best for this club,and i dont see anything in his past that tells me we have a man to drive us on from what Rafa acheived.In four months what has he improved?One good hour of football last week does not make everything rosy again,Bolton today will be a very different proposition.

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Originally Posted By: liverbirdlain
This thread throws up alot of debate, except in reclaims case, according to him we are mediocre so no point in supporting them, but for everyone else with all the various oppinions its seems theres one underlying feel, and that is hardly anyone seems to like Roy! or has little faith smirk
First let me clear something up once and for all, I come from the City so not supporting the club wether they are medoicre, mid table or even got relegated is an option for me unlike most Liverpool fans who has chosen or picked Liverpool to support, I was at Hysel and Hillsborough so for me I will be with my Club regardless, so hope that answers the no point supporting them point. I know there are alot of people who dont like Roy which is fair comment, most did'nt want him before he came and have carried this opinion into the start of the season. My point is that he is our manager now for the foreseeable future wether you like it or not so why not get behind him and give him a fair crack at the job if he is still doing a bad job after he has brought in his own players and has the team playing his style of football then so be it ask for him to be sacked then, but at the moment he is still trying to do a massive job with another workman's tools who were simply not good enough before he took them, lets see what he does after the Summer transfer business has closed.

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And when did the previous workman take his tools to their lowest ever premier league position?Orchestrating the most dire performances i have seen in 30 years?

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Yes reclaim i can see you support the club but you seem to have a low opinion of the club as if we are not good enough for much , ok this year not great, it seems you just want to resign yourself to mediocre achievments,most wont want or more importantly accept that, by lowering your standards gives fans a feeling of gloom,why should we want to feel like that ? far better to strive for better things all be it realistic,as for roy i mean he hasnt said much to adhear fans to him cos of the things he says and i have to say his lowering of expectations, otherwise, lovely man! but we will have to wait and see. grin

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Originally Posted By: Reclaim The Club
...he is our manager now for the foreseeable future


I can't see NESV be giving him until next summer to perform. He's toast if he doesn't deliver before january!

Originally Posted By: Reclaim The Club
if he is still doing a bad job after he has brought in his own players and has the team playing his style of football then so be it ask for him to be sacked then, but at the moment he is still trying to do a massive job with another workman's tools who were simply not good enough before he took them, lets see what he does after the Summer transfer business has closed.


What? Are Poulsen and Konchesky another workman's tools? Roy's simply not the man for this job! Not only does he bring in players from his own lower level - they happen to be even worse than the players they are supposed to replace! Is Konchesky any better than Insua? Is Paulsen any better than... erm... anyone?

Both Roy's knowledge of English top level football and his ambitions with LFC are deeply questionable IMO. The problem with letting him spend over 2 windows is how will the team look then? I keep hearing in my head the nice song 'We all dream of a team of Carraghers', and what if Roy has made his own translation to 'We all dream of a team of Poulsens'! eek

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And when did the previous workman take his tools to their lowest ever premier league position?Orchestrating the most dire performances i have seen in 30 years?
You talk about dire performances have you forgotten Benitez first season with games against Burnley, Birmingham away and the famous game against Southampton when Alan Hansen described the team and performance as the worst in living memory, lets even fast forward a few seasons to our F.A.Cup games against the mighty Havant anbd Waterloo which was a disgrace and even the following round at home to Barnsley who knocked us out, even last season who could ever forget the Reading F.A.Cup game and that shocker against Wigan away, you see them performances where probably worse because Benitez was in the job longer than Roy and had spent alot more money.

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