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pointless thread? you have seven posts on it
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It's pointless because our manager is'nt going anywhere, if you look at our previous managers Evans, Houllier and Benitez they were all given over five seasons and if you have'nt noticed Roy has only been in the Job a matter of months, so use your maths. One of the things our Club is known for is that it gives managers a good chance to succeed and we dont sack managers still finding there feet, the only thing that is different is that our supporters now are no different than Newcastle fans in that they shout for managers to be sacked and they are obsessed with past icons like Kevin Keegan and Kenny Dalglish, thats why there is no future because there is only a past regarding fans.
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Liverpool promoted managers from the bootroom, and they were given 4 or 5 years and none were 'sacked'. that was in the past. There is a wee bit of a contradiction in your last post, and in fact in your arguments. You say fans always look at the past but you want us to live in the past by retaining a non performing manager for 5 years. Because liverpool is the only club that has a reputation for never sacking managers. That lies in the past. We are owned by guys that made their money in amongst other things futures and derivatives, stuff that most of us don't even understand. The guy henry uses statistics to determine whether managers and players perform. The club has moved on; dreaming about the shankley era is part of the problem. How can you suggest that we move on in the future while holding on to a redundant tradition of keeping a manager who is not performing because liverpool ' do not sack managers' . Football is a business. I was and am opposed to the premier league there are hundreds of incompetents and non deservers with jobs in and related to the premier league. We can't change this. Most of the changes brought about by the premier league have benefited the teams that have the most money. For years liverpool was not invested in properly, and that's why liverpool is paying the price. Either modernise or go under. Retaining hodgson for longer than is necessary is damaging the club. And I am quite sure that nesv are looking for his replacement. The other thing is liverpool gave managers a chance to succeed if they were bob paisely fagan or evans or dalglish, benitez was also a proven success before the job. Hodgson was the first 'outsider' who hadn't really won anything but the man has a career of THIRTY FIVE YEARS! you do the maths. How much time do you give a stubborn 63 year old who translates the same system to all teams irrespective of country or style or history of the club. Face it you give him one year to 'prove himself' The guy is a mistake. He is not liverpool he never will be and he is not a good manager even if people say he is a good coach. If the reason for keeping him is that the 'non liverpool ie foreign fans' want him to go then that is not a valid reason. There is no smoke without fire as they say and if thousands are calling for him to go after 4 matches then maybe its because the guy is becoming a real worry. As I said in other posts there are not many people on here talking about winning the league or top 4 finish as automatic. I think with any manager in the world a finish in the top 8 would be tolerated. The fact is that 18th position and woefully bad performances from liverpool suggest that we wont get that .. Anyway if you have some sort of problem with foreigners thats for you to mull over
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In 6 years reign, Rafa never won the LMA manager of the year, yeah despite spending huge amounts. We have some1 who won the award with a less cultured fc and with pretty lesser budget. I'm no Roy fan but being a footy fan it's realistic to give the man some more time. Had Roy come in wen we were going upward, that is finishing 2nd in the league, then i would never accept that.
To be fair to the old man, he came in wen we dropped drastically from 2nd position to 7th. Why did Rafa finish with us in 7th?? coz of problems, in and off field. The probs were still there wen Roy took over so how can u expect us to play like a top 4 team immediately. Time is our remedy. It wil pay off. Ve faith. YNWA
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i just said we dont expect top 4 , that is the point of the arguement .....
LMA manager what the f)àk is that??? award roy kinnear wins for wimbledon? award ferguson one of the best managers of all time won twice but coppell won twice??
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Liverpool promoted managers from the bootroom, and they were given 4 or 5 years and none were 'sacked'. that was in the past. There is a wee bit of a contradiction in your last post, and in fact in your arguments. You say fans always look at the past but you want us to live in the past by retaining a non performing manager for 5 years. Because liverpool is the only club that has a reputation for never sacking managers. That lies in the past. We are owned by guys that made their money in amongst other things futures and derivatives, stuff that most of us don't even understand. The guy henry uses statistics to determine whether managers and players perform. The club has moved on; dreaming about the shankley era is part of the problem. How can you suggest that we move on in the future while holding on to a redundant tradition of keeping a manager who is not performing because liverpool ' do not sack managers' . Football is a business. I was and am opposed to the premier league there are hundreds of incompetents and non deservers with jobs in and related to the premier league. We can't change this. Most of the changes brought about by the premier league have benefited the teams that have the most money. For years liverpool was not invested in properly, and that's why liverpool is paying the price. Either modernise or go under. Retaining hodgson for longer than is necessary is damaging the club. And I am quite sure that nesv are looking for his replacement. The other thing is liverpool gave managers a chance to succeed if they were bob paisely fagan or evans or dalglish, benitez was also a proven success before the job. Hodgson was the first 'outsider' who hadn't really won anything but the man has a career of THIRTY FIVE YEARS! you do the maths. How much time do you give a stubborn 63 year old who translates the same system to all teams irrespective of country or style or history of the club. Face it you give him one year to 'prove himself' The guy is a mistake. He is not liverpool he never will be and he is not a good manager even if people say he is a good coach. If the reason for keeping him is that the 'non liverpool ie foreign fans' want him to go then that is not a valid reason. There is no smoke without fire as they say and if thousands are calling for him to go after 4 matches then maybe its because the guy is becoming a real worry. As I said in other posts there are not many people on here talking about winning the league or top 4 finish as automatic. I think with any manager in the world a finish in the top 8 would be tolerated. The fact is that 18th position and woefully bad performances from liverpool suggest that we wont get that .. Anyway if you have some sort of problem with foreigners thats for you to mull over Your missing the whole point, how do you know if Roy has failed and how do you know if he is an underperforming manager if you have given him less than ten league games to turn around a fast declining club. You see your contradicting yourself, its a very nice spiel you have given us and I can see you have taken your time doing it but it's wrong to say a manager is not good enough when you have'nt given him any time. Like I have said lets give him this season to let things in the Club settle down,give him time to get to know his players and let him bring a few in, in possibly January and the Summer and start to judge him next season, lets be fair about it and give him the same time as the previous manager at least, Benitez lost 14 league games in his first season and was'nt sacked mainly because he won the Champions league, so 14 defeats has to be the benchmark, fairs fair.
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Rafa didn't have the benifet Roy has of knowing the English game. Roys had enough time to get his ideas across to the players and to show us where improving from last season, but we've not. We can't just give him till the summer. I'd give him till Christmas and if where still say bottom 7 then he's got to go.
The football is awful, the tactics are awful and if it doesn't improve then the results won't improve.
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Rafa didn't have the benifet Roy has of knowing the English game. Roys had enough time to get his ideas across to the players and to show us where improving from last season, but we've not. We can't just give him till the summer. I'd give him till Christmas and if where still say bottom 7 then he's got to go.
The football is awful, the tactics are awful and if it doesn't improve then the results won't improve. how can you say it's not working when you have'nt given him enough time, you cant seriously say less than 10 league games at a club which is dropping faster than a stone from the previous regime and a club in total disaray off the pitch is long enough to judge someone are you. You talk about tactics, do you really think Arsene Wenger had Arsenal playing there style of football ten games after Bruce Rioch left them...
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you no what, im not gona say anything about him now, il just let the results speak for itself, and when he does get the chop, il laugh an say i told you so.
i dont agree with this giving the manager time when we no it not gona work out. Wel never win the league under this fellas style of football. We need a manager who has the right balance between attacking and defending, roys all the latter. Do you trust him to spend money in jan when your looking at the players hes signed
poulsen, kontchesky
and players he was linked with, Carlton cole eg
not good enough
I blame the previous oweners for our downfall. and now roy for taking us to the dizzy heights of 18th in the league with his negative footy
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you no what, im not gona say anything about him now, il just let the results speak for itself, and when he does get the chop, il laugh an say i told you so.
i dont agree with this giving the manager time when we no it not gona work out. Wel never win the league under this fellas style of football. We need a manager who has the right balance between attacking and defending, roys all the latter. Do you trust him to spend money in jan when your looking at the players hes signed
poulsen, kontchesky
and players he was linked with, Carlton cole eg
not good enough
I blame the previous oweners for our downfall. and now roy for taking us to the dizzy heights of 18th in the league with his negative footy ofcorse we are not going to win the league under Roy,just like we would not win the league under any manager Liverpool are a Club which no longer wins leagues Like Everton and Villa have'nt for even longer than us. Give Roy the same money and time as the previous manager and we will judge him then, thats the fairest way to see if he is good enough to turn us into a top four club.
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