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Have you read what my posts say about Torres, I have no problem whatsoever if Torres plays bad but i will not put up with a player who wont try and Torres falls into this bracket. I watch Lucas get slaughtere every time he plays, now for me ok he's not good enough, but I will never slag him off because no matter how bad he plays,how poor his touch is the man never gives up, never hides and does'nt get frustrated. I am afraid you are so out of touch about what a true supporter is it's untrue, your big problem is you support a player who does'nt try, takes the pi** out of the club and fans simply because he has a big reputation from a few years ago. You have just said I am no supporter well I am going to prove to you who the real supporter is now by asking a question, I have said in my posts I want Torres to leave because he is no use to the Club because of his attitude, injuries and his poor performances so I am firmly on the Clubs side and whats best for it in my eyes whereas you are backing Torres over the club by blaming the Club for letting him down, a bad manager,bad tactics, poor players and even fans for daring to suggest Torres is'nt pulling his weight, everyone gets the blame apart from Torres himself. So my question is who really is the true supporter of the Club me for backing the Club or you who is clearly backing the player over the Club.

i can see what you are saying with the comparison between lucas' and torres' work rate. lucas plays defensive midfield and the way we've lined up so negatively this season he's had no choice because the amount of time the opposition have spent in our half and how little time we've spent in theirs.

ok nando's confidence is shot a bit at the moment and it seems he does have an inability to beat defenders but we haven't exactly excelled in the final 3rd have we? i mean the whole squad. how many times have you seen him miss? he's probably had 1 or 2 chances on goal in the past 7 league matches. for a striker you could argue that nowhere near enough to be scoring on a regular basis.

what i can't understand is how he is taking the p*ss and its the player vs the club. main words you didn't include are confidence, form and fitness which in imo are the reasons why he isn't up to it at the moment. in and out of injuries he scored some amazing goals for us last season he still bagged 20 in about 25 games yet you say his reputation is from a few years ago. i feel he's set such a world class standard that people have grown to expect it week in week out and if he isn't match fit and confident then its not possible. you've probably watched football longer than i have, you will know players rely on confidence. how many times have you said about a player "he just needs a goal" then before you know it he's back scoring again.

fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion, i just feel its impatient narrow minded to want him out of the club he is still one of the best strikers in the world and you are clearly deluded if you can't realise it. any big european side would sign him in a heartbeat if they could afford him. did it ever occur to you why the reports linking him away from the club have been for £50m plus? and at the age of 26 his career is hardly over is it? he will find his form again especially if the overall performances of the squad improve, and when he does i hope admit you were wrong.

Reclaim, your getting on the back of a player who hasn't banged the goals in this season, plain simple mate. If torres had scored 10 by now ur head would e so far up his arse. He's having a bad patch, like every player does, and you can't see it. But I'm lookin at why he's having a bad patch, for me it isn't about watching Nando running round like a lunatic, it's about watching him run and put the effort in at the right times. And he's simply not had any service to him. But you can't see it. Do you walk round with a stick?

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Reclaim love babel so we can't get rid of him. He done fck all at the club since he's been here so he's definitely got to stay

talking about taking the p*ss out of the club for lack of effort how about that through ball babel gave up on in the napoli game. he clearly could have made it but he just stopped and didnt bother. shocking, especially for a player who has supposedly been trying to establish himself into the first team for last 3 years. if ya can't acknowledge that against crap you are slating nando for then its hypocrisy of the highest order... or like a dog calling a cat a hairy arse... whatever way u wanna look at it

Listen just stop with the name calling we have firmly established I will always beat you in that department so lets leave that there shall we. The point you are missing is that Torres is taking the pi** out of paying fans by not trying once he is on the pitch and that attitude cannot be tolerated by any player whatsoever, no matter how good or what he has done in the past. You still have'nt answered my question whose side are you on, are you backing the player and going to continue to make excuses for him with poor service, his injuries or the club has let him down not strenghthening or are you going to back the club like me by looking at the fact we are paying him an obscene wage, while he sulks, spits his dummy out, walks round the pitch not interested waiting for a move to take him out of the Club. You cant support and want whats what best for both parties because they are both divided now. so who do you support...

how are they divided? because you say they are? just because you are controversial and stubbornly delusional it does not give you the right to create conflict between our football club and one of our players. in the 10 games you've seen us play this season how many players have performed well? the answer is none and our league position proves it... so stop using torres as a scapegoat and get off your f*cking high horse and stop being so narrow minded its pathetic

agree with wanted there, gerrard, carra, cole, johnson, skrtl, maxi blablabla etc, They have all been crap including Torres. Reclaim, I dont see you bashing our captain? since u think its the best for the club not the player, what has he done this season that makes him worthy of the armband? Seriously stop writing crap. And i swear you are red4life.

Listen You, the post says who do you want out and I have said Johnson and Torres thats my opinion, I have then faced people calling me names and asking me to explain why and thats why I have given the reasons I have. I know there has hardly been any players who have played well this season, but for me two of our most scostly signings have been the worst. Johnson should never of been signed for nearly 20 million instead of Arbeloa who only cost about 2.5 million all down to an incompetent manager and Torres attitude has stunk for a while especialy last season when he put country before club and decided to have an operation to save his world cup instead of playing for us. Those are valid reasons for me and alot of others to dislike these two players and I happen to think they have become a drain on the club rather than an assett, Johnson coz he's simply sh*t and Torres because he's always injured, does'nt try and wants to leave first chance he gets. So winde your neck in will you and open your eyes to the reasons am giving.