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And Rush certainly, absolutely gave his all under the managers after Dalglish? People don't get labelled, "A groin strain waiting to happen" when they're totally committed. I'll agree that Rush was committed to Liverpool, but you can't tell me he was committed to the men in charge. Torres is in that same unhappy place right now, along with the ENTIRE SQUAD, which is obviously Rafa's fault, right? What also counts against Torres is that, unlike Rush, he's won nothing with this club and isn't about to either. For a player of his quality that will never be good enough. No doubt you'll read the report about Reina and decide that his dissatisfaction with the current coaches and manager is also Rafa's fault somehow, and then you'll go on to say that Pepe's not fit to play for Liverpool either.

Thats my whole argument, Hodgson is carrying the can for a team of players who cant be ars*d and who have hid behind whats been going on off the pitch all season to deflect whats been going on on the pitch, it's a disgrace.

? Okay, I'm stumped. How you conjured up the thought that I was agreeing with you is beyond me. Do I really need to go through the whole argument again? Players will perform well beyond their ability for a manager they believe in. Players will play poorly for a manger they have no faith in. This is called "human nature". I don't care what you think their salaries buys, no amount of money stops people being human.

Were this a case of one player being out of sorts in a squad with otherwise high morale etc, then the player must go because he's the one causing the problem. However when it's the entire squad, then the manager has to carry the can, because he is obviously the negative influence. No matter how you look at it, someone is farting smelly ones, and that guy needs to go. I won't say we've not been on a slide since last season started, because that is false, but Roy was brought in to arrest that slide, not hasten our demise.

Roy out. Sack him immediately after the game today, regardless of the result.

OK all bullshite aside, Pepe Reina has (according to papers) asked for talks with NESV about the future of the club. He is not happy about the way things are progressing under ROY. Now for me a player like this coming out makes me nervous. Never mind Torres, Johnson or even Gerrard, WE can not lose Pepe, Hes the best keeper in the Perm by a long shot

NESV need to move quickly to stop all this unrest, The club might of been sold but now the hard task of turning to club around begins

Yes and when the next manager comes in and more then likely turns it around "reclaim the club"will say what a great squad roy left him, because he has issues with rafa
The good thing now is dalglish can work with nesv and get the"right" man for the job without interference from cecil and the cancers.

I have a personal feeling that Rafa has pampered the players too much. It's always said that " children get out of hand when pampered too much". Take example of masch, riera and alonso. There maybe more players who think LFC is dependent on them. I have identified Babel as another spoiled kid. Babel's comment after napoli game was not pleasant, the lad didn't play well and comes up saying he doesn't care what people say instead he should have accepted his disappointing performance and vow to hit back in next game. Typical spoiled kid's reaction comment for me. Such players can never work for the team, they are individual performers, they will never work on their mistakes and will instead put the blame on others. they must play individual games like tennis rather than football.

oh! so it's rafa's fault again!

Damn that European cup winning Spainiard.

Exactly right. We have a talented enough squad to be top 6 come May. With the right manager that can be top 4. Isn't that what we want? We understand we are under-strength in various areas, but to suggest we have a poor squad is rubbish. I should be able to (still) say that we have the best striker in the EPL, the best keeper in the EPL, and the best captain in the EPL. Any side built around these three players should be capable of destroying championship sides, and should never have to expect a lower table opponent to arrive with any strategy than 10 men behind the ball.

But take away those 3 players... Roy's first piece of business was to keep them, and he did. Well done (and this is sincere - Roy excelled here). He didn't need any help to keep Pepe, because Pepe loves this club. Roy's second piece of business was to get everyone to believe again. He's got that so wrong that even Pepe now has doubts. I don't mind if Torres is unhappy - he's a petulant guy, and you have ways of dealing with that. But if Reina has something to say then you need to start listening.

alrite so what if a new manager comes in and Gerrard this time does'nt like him, maybe the new manager has parked his car in Gerrard's car park spec, do we change the manager again, maybe a different manager comes in and uses Carraghers milk out of the fridge at Melwood and Jamie gets the hump with him and wants him gone what happens then. Do you see how ridiculous you are being complaining because players dont like a manager, I dont like my boss and loads dont like theres, thats the way it is in work. How can any player say they dont like the manager after just 8 games, alrite you can have a feeling that he might not be good enough but only in time can you make that decision, you cant say he will fail after 8 games only guess and you cant be sacking managers by guessing can you or managers will be getting sacked every 5 minutes, even Ferguson was one game away from being sacked. If you are going to sack a manager because it does'nt look good at present then you are the same people who would of blown the whistle at half time in Istanbul and ended the game there and then, that shows you have to wait until the outcombe no matter how bleak it looks at present.