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Agree with that one Emp, Ive said that he should leave as well but the abuse he is getting at the moment is ridiculous. I know he has said some bizarre things in the media and that our performances have simply not been good enough but its not like he took over an all dominating team.

Rafa got away with it to some extent because he had worked with the players for 5 years and had his system solidly embedded which masked our lack of quality. Now he has gone that system has gone and we can see where we are actually at. No matter who is in charge it will take time, a good amount of time, to get us playing again and it will also take a minimum of 50m.

Im not happy with what Roy has done so far and wouldnt be upset if he left 2moro but we can at least be realistic in our criticism of him and not twist everything into making him a demented teddy bear.

I saw the first signs of an acutal team against Napoli, hopefully that will be built on for this game against Fat Sam and we will pick up 3 points.

I think Roy's point is that given our circumstances (team playing sh ite, bottom of the league, no confidence, angry fanc ect) it would be unfair to chuck the young lads like Kelly into that as it could do more harm than good. If that is the thinking then I agree with it.

carra is not a right back and if there's another option (like kelly) then we should go with it.

I agree Carra is not a right back and his inability to run and cross is a serious problem as it takes away one of our few opportunities to put width into the team. Im in Roy defending mode though so Im not rescinding my original point

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i agree the abuse he's getting from some supporters is ridiculous. he should be criticised, no doubt about that but i feel the players are getting away with it way too easy.

i still hope he can turn the situation around but unfortunately i don't think he's capable of it.

He has spent money (some signings were obviously in progress before he arrived, but Poulsen is all his for example). And he's not working. And he's not only just in the door either. He's been here over three months now. Here's a summary of his results so far:

Grasshoppers (A) / 0-0 / D / friendly
FC Kaiserslautern (A) / 1-0 / L / friendly
Rabotnicki (A) / 0-2 / W / Europa
Borussia M'gladbach (A) / 1-0 / L / friendly
Rabotnicki (H) / 2-0 / W / Europa
Arsenal (H) / 1 - 1 / D / Premier
Trabzonspor (H) / 1-0 / W / Europa
Man City (A) / 3-0 / L / Premier
Trabzonspor (A) / 1-2 / W / Europa
West Brom (H) / 1-0 / W / Premier
Birmingham (A) / 0-0 / D / Premier
Steaua (H) / 4-1 / W / Europa
Man Utd (A) / 3-2 / L / Premier
Northampton (H) / 2-2 (lost on penalties) / L / Carling Cup
Sunderland (H) / 2-2 / D / Premier
FC Utrecht (A) / 0-0 / D / Europa
Blackpool (H) / 1-2 / L / Premier
Everton (A) / 2-0 / L / Premier
Napoli (A) / 0-0 / D / Europa

That's 16 games excluding friendlies. And his record so far across all competitions?

6 won 5 drawn 5 lost.

Two of those wins were against Rabotnicki (currently 6th in Macedonia), one against Steaua (currently 6th in Romania), two against Trabzonspor, and one against West Brom. Not exactly the most impressive list.

And what's more, not only do we not seem to be getting better, we seem to be getting worse the longer he's in charge!

But don't get me wrong. I have every confidence that, given enough time, Roy could manage to get the team to aspire to the levels of mid-table mediocrity. Yes, if we give him more time we could be almost as good as Fulham were last season! But I'd like to think we were aiming a bit higher than that...

I am afraid the abuse and critism Roy has been getting is normal for our fans now just shows how far the fans have dropped from the years when Liverpool fans were regarded as the best in the World, the fans are no different from Leeds, Newcastle or Southampton supporters now, very sad, A Liverpool manager would never of got this type of abuse after 8 games played years ago they would of been given time and understanding in what is a very difficult job ahead.

Agreed.

I can't imagine what would happen if we suddenly went on a winning streak.

1-0 to us tomorrow btw.

Yeah, you're the epitome of a great supporter; so busy complaining about the last manager you can't see that the current one is worse. You seem to believe that the manager is untouchable until sacked, right? Somehow I don't believe you lived by that motto while Rafa was in Liverpool.

We "supporters" have the balls to say, "Listen mate, what the f*ck are you doing to our great club? You treat us like idiots in your press conferences, you don't seem to have any clue whatsoever about our squad, our tactics, our anything! You even suggest we need luck to beat Blackburn at home? LUCK??? You're not motivating the squad, you're ruining it!"

But you, Reclaim? "Blah blah blah it's all Rafa's fault!" Strong sense of reality.

None of us have any intention of not supporting Liverpool. So don't question what colour we bleed. We would stand by the manager if his feet were capable of fitting the shoes worn by his predecessors (not just Rafa, but King Kenny and Shanks too). Hodgson can't even find the boot room.

Playing Carra at FB weakens the team. He hates playing there, hasn't got sufficient pace and will offer nothing going forward. Playing someone out of position to accommodate someone else with "more experience" is no guarantee of success. A player may have years of experience but it doesn't mean he's any good! At this time it should be Kelly at RB every time as he's the best option we currently have, even though I'd rather see him at CB as I think that is and will be his best position.

We need the best chance of winning, so we should play the best team we have available to us. That, IMHO, means Kelly at RB and a midfield trio of SG, JC & RM. Add to this a positive approach to winning the game. Sadly, I don;t think we'll get any of this tomorrow.