KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum The solution is more obvious than you think.

I think the OP is largely missing the point. I agree that we had a tough start to the season, so the points total from those games is not expected to be near 100%. However, this is Liverpool FC. We actually have standards. Capitulating spinelessly vs Man City - fail. Not taking a point from the scum when they are playing rubbish football is poor. Not beating Sunderland at any venue simply isn't good enough. Ditto Everton. Blackpool? At home? Northampton, again at home? Taking the full squad and failing to score even once against Utrecht? 12-14 points is what is acceptable, not what we currently have.

Add to that: playing dire football week-in and week-out, picking newly signed players out of position, not dropping the dross, not picking the youth.... I could go on, but I won't.

Get rid.

And no, do not get O'Neill - he's just more of the same.

Professional loser. The man points fingers at everyone other than himself, distances himself from bad performances, and laughs after a terrible performance in a derby. His comments to the Norwegian journalist yesterday, given the size and loyalty of our fan-base in Scandinavia, were nothing short of appalling. £3 million to get rid, cheap. NESV, just do it.

Jol would love to come back to the premiership and I think he would do a good job.

Absolutely....Chelsea consistently say they don't play very well and they are top of the league. champions have to grind out results against anyone whether it will be Real madrid or Northampton. If your team is not playing well, the manager has to have a tactic to enable an unattractive win. Roy is not using tactics to get us the points. people say Rafa was stubborn but I don't see that compared with Roy. he's not adapting the team to the mood or the occasion.....points will not be won like this.

i'll put a fiver on those odds