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PS rafa gave money to the hillsborough charity when he left I think you don't really know the guy to go that far into rubbishing his character
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PS rafa gave money to the hillsborough charity when he left I think you don't really know the guy to go that far into rubbishing his character When things like that come up you have to base your opinions on what you already know about someone, by using that system, we all know Benitez was dark, manipulative and influenced situations although not always directivley for his own gains and benefits. I think this is the case with the donation, Benitez played the fans like a well tuned fiddle and because most of our fans are so stupid and fickle they swallowed his bait hook, line and sinker.
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Agreed he was not a nice guy and man management non existant but I don't get the donation arguement. He gave that money after he left how can he influence people by doing this or gain from this situation? So he made some money out of being sacked. Look at managers like erikson no wonder he wanted to come here
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Added: and to turn up the heat on hicks? Someone of his experience would have forgotten about hicks and co already look where he has gone to a quality side. Would they sign him if he was no good? Don't bye the charity argument sorry.
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Added: and to turn up the heat on hicks? Someone of his experience would have forgotten about hicks and co already look where he has gone to a quality side. Would they sign him if he was no good? Don't bye the charity argument sorry. You say he would of forgotten about Hicks and Co, well if thats the case why was it less than two weeks ago he was still having a pop saying the people above him never had a clue about Football and running a Football Club. I know what he said might be true but you have just stated he is at a quality side now and would'nt bother and he has, so it proves he still has an eye on our preceedings. Benitez knew full well by making a cash donation he would be seen as a nice guy with the fans, he also knew that the fans hate Hicks and Gillett, when he got the sack he knew full well the fans would use his sacking as yet another stick to beat the Americans with which has been the case ever since, poor Roy is on a hiding to nothing now.
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Added: and to turn up the heat on hicks? Someone of his experience would have forgotten about hicks and co already look where he has gone to a quality side. Would they sign him if he was no good? Don't bye the charity argument sorry. You say he would of forgotten about Hicks and Co, well if thats the case why was it less than two weeks ago he was still having a pop saying the people above him never had a clue about Football and running a Football Club. I know what he said might be true but you have just stated he is at a quality side now and would'nt bother and he has, so it proves he still has an eye on our preceedings. Benitez knew full well by making a cash donation he would be seen as a nice guy with the fans, he also knew that the fans hate Hicks and Gillett, when he got the sack he knew full well the fans would use his sacking as yet another stick to beat the Americans with which has been the case ever since, poor Roy is on a hiding to nothing now. absolutely spot on and until people realise this no manager hodgson or other wise will never win while the dark spectre of benitez still hangs over the club like some sort of angel of doom.
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Reclaim Look at the facts forget the possible motivation in why he gave money to charity. Of course he knows the fans hate hicks. If the fans use his sacking as a stick to beat the americans so be it. The americans have been accused of taking more out of lfc in expenses than rafa spent on signings in his last year at anfield (in the region of 8 million expenses) That's how you rip a club off do it on expenses, can't be taxed on it. Who doesnt know that the fans hate hicks? Rafa gave a small part of his bumper payoff to charity. If he gave nothing he would be acused of taking it all and giving nothing. You think a journalist is not going to pop him a few questions about liverpool? He was right hicks and co know nothing about football. They care less. The issue for me has little to do with roy I can see that people would (wrongly) claim that hodgson was brought in especially to help the dismantling of the club. I thought he was the best available choice at the time. Hodgson is being criticised here for his tactics and team selection Hicks is scum rafa was a good manager good luck to him things dont always turn out as they should . The fact is hodgson has a good squad if he cant even pick a half decent 11 and make them play in the right position then he is bit rubbish that is my point
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Reclaim Look at the facts forget the possible motivation in why he gave money to charity. Of course he knows the fans hate hicks. If the fans use his sacking as a stick to beat the americans so be it. The americans have been accused of taking more out of lfc in expenses than rafa spent on signings in his last year at anfield (in the region of 8 million expenses) That's how you rip a club off do it on expenses, can't be taxed on it. Who doesnt know that the fans hate hicks? Rafa gave a small part of his bumper payoff to charity. If he gave nothing he would be acused of taking it all and giving nothing. You think a journalist is not going to pop him a few questions about liverpool? He was right hicks and co know nothing about football. They care less. The issue for me has little to do with roy I can see that people would (wrongly) claim that hodgson was brought in especially to help the dismantling of the club. I thought he was the best available choice at the time. Hodgson is being criticised here for his tactics and team selection Hicks is scum rafa was a good manager good luck to him things dont always turn out as they should . The fact is hodgson has a good squad if he cant even pick a half decent 11 and make them play in the right position then he is bit rubbish that is my point I do happen to think Roy was the right man to takever the club at this present time given our circumstances, lets face it we need a low profile manager at present who will keep his head down, not draw attention to us and talk with sense and handle himself with dignaty, the last thing we needed was a controversial manager who would shake things up and pour petrol on the fire which is already burning in the club at present off the field. My only real problem with Roy is that he has set the team up exactly like the previous monster with two defensive midfielders and is'nt playing the open attacking football I had hoped for, thats my only complaint I am hoping he changes these tactics in the coming months and will give him time to do this not like alot of the bell ends on here calling for his head after six games played. Benitez for me was as every bit as bad as the owners so it's not worth trying argue any sort of case for him, sacking him was good riddance to bad rubbish as far as am concerned and hope that man never comes to these shores again, horrible man that.
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Rafa got a lot more out of LFC and the money aand if he'd been so concerned about the club, its supporters and its future he would have resigned knowing full well he would be walking into another multi-million pound job. He could easily have given a mill - thanks to LFC he, his children and grandchildren when they come along are set up for life.
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Lol. Bet the Rafa-bashers were also calling for his head in Istanbul and at Wembley. How you would have loved to see us not be level at full time. Don't came back with "That was all Steven Gerrard"; they had to reach the final to even be in those positions, and besides, who kept SG at Anfield in 2005?
For all his faults (and there were many) Rafa did bring Liverpool into the modern age football-wise. Hate him all you like, he's a successful manager with a career game win ratio higher than very nearly anyone. He may have been a waiter to you, but count the managers outside Wenger who stand up to Fergusson. One can usually measure one's success by the number of your peers who hate you, and I think it's fair to say Rafa had more enemies in the EPL than anyone. Who else would dare suggest Blackburn's style was to be copied by Barcelona?
I agree that he needed to go, but I disagree that he was anywhere near as bad a manager as many of you believe.
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