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Ged when you are talking about how much he has spent you have to take into account how much he has got back through sales. [/quote]Joelkeeper am sorry you dont take into consideration what he has brought in at all, no matter which way you dress it up the mad Spaniard has been given over 200 million pound to spend out on players he has wanted to sign. You talk about money he has brought in well answer me this name one single player Benitez has been forced to sell apart from Michael Owen that he has wanted to keep and has'nt been able to, the answer is none because he has wanted shut of everyone he has sold. nobody is interested on net spending, fans are only interested in whats on the pitch not at the bottom of a balance sheet and the cold hard facts are that Benitez has spent over 200 million on bringing players in to win us a league and still not delivered, if you lost 500 pound down a grid and found a 20 pound a bit later you would'nt tell people you lost 480 pound would you, thats why net spending load of rubbish, when people talk about Chelsea and Abramavic and what he has spent they dont talk about what he has brought in do they only the enormous amount he has shelled out, same as United and the Glaziers they only talk about how much dept the club is in not how much Revenue United make profit each season. [/quote]

You obviously have no idea about business and that's what football is these days. NET spend is what ends up on the books! Journo's and the rest of the media can talk about how much we've spent but they don't take into account the players bought and sold because they don't want to and love to have a go at the manager. Fact is Rafa has bought in stop gap type players and sold most of them for a profit to be able to build the squad he has that is now a serious challenger for the title! He concentrated on the Champions League to bring money into the club that would allow him to buy players before making a serious challenge for the title and that's where the club is at now. Last season we were in it until the last two weeks and this season we have a serious chance of winning it!!!

Its not about how much a manager gets back its about how much any manager spend and if a certain manager whoever it is has paid out over 200 million , well thats how much he has spent not he spent 200 million but get 100 million back that doesn't mean this manager has only spent 100 million the manager which ever manager it is has still spent 200 million what ever comes and goes , if you go the shop spend 80 pounds on something , but you find a tenner in the house you lost have you only spent 70 pounds in the shop then or still 80 , its still 80 the money you get back still means you spent 80 pounds yes you might have gained a tenner but the recipt still will say spent 80 pounds , thats the issue here yes managers sell players and get money back but it still doesn't mean they haven't spent X amonut of money 200 ,300 millions so on and so on .

what has been spent on signings and what has been made from sales is just as relevant as the other - it's called a balance of accounts.
Football is a business and therefore no different from any other company or corporation. What is spent and what is made from selling and signing is all related - you cannot just look at one set of figures without taking into account of the other!!!

And more importantly, if you look at these figures you'll find Rafa has done pretty damn well in the transfer market.

Spurs for example have spent more than us since Rafa joined, and their squad is worth more than ours.

Where are LFC and where are Spurs? If I was reading some of these comments on a Tottenham website I could understand the frustration, but on here??? Please do me a favour!

The difference is Benitez hasn't been givin 200m by the club to spend over the past five years. He generally has a transfer kitty between 20 - 25m pounds every season everything else he has had to raise himself. To suggest he has been given 200 million by the club is lunacy in the extreme and shows you have 0 clue what your talking about.

Net spend is whats important at the end of the day. Showing off a car and balancing the books are two completely different things. You might tell your friends that the car cost 100 grand but when it comes to tax time and your crunching the numbers your going to take into account how much you sold your old car for...

The reason Benitez has gone through so many players is pretty simple. When he got here he wanted to replace the majority of the squad but with a small budget you can't just blow it all on one player every summer and hope it improves the squad. He had to split his 20m between 4, 5 or even 6 players and then bring in who ever he could with player sales. As he has replaced each position over the years he has needed less whole sale changes and more refinements. Hes gone from signing 5 or 6 players to signing just one. Glen Johnson and some youth products that may make the first team in years to come or they may be sold on later for a profit. He has built a strong spine of a team with some solid squad players mixed with youth & experience.

Really Ged you can't argue with the net spend vs gross because its not opinion your either right or wrong. And your wrong here...

Thank you Coxy - perfectly explained mate!

if spurs have spent more it just means they have failed more thats why santini and jol were sacked not good enough.

well yes, that's one negative and pessimistic way of looking at it. But you could also say that we have managed to do far better than most and on a lower budget and after improving every season, we now are very serious title challengers, which after all, isn't that what it is all about!???!

No reddy, it's about pretty football and having every signing become a world beater. Utopia must be a nice place to live in.

yeah Joel but it didn't do Thomas More much good did it