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There are positive things happening around Liverpool and getting King Kenny back shows he must believe in what Rafa is doing.
Our youth system is improving and Rafa is giving the young ones a chance.This breeds confidence and soon we will be seeing the results.Not like RAFA has spent 200 million without recouping any money back.as for zonal marking-the proof is in the pudding as we have been good defensively since we introduced the system.

Yeah just done what you said and checked out Real Madrid's record with changing managers all the time and have come up with a basic fact which blows your idea out of the water, since we last won the league in 1990 real madrid have gone on to win 6 leagues and 3 champions leagues in that time not bad considering they are always changing there manager, also checked out another team who constantly chamnge there manager in Barcelona who in the same time have won 9 leagues and 3 Champions leagues. So you see changing a manager all the time is not a bad thing it's all about trying different managers until you find one thats best for you as the two spanish sides have done apart from Ferguson no manager can sustain success for years and years in the modern game thats why managers need to be changed every so often. Guus Hiddink would walk over broken glass to be our manager his Chelsea connections make no difference to a model professional manager like him, he's exactly what we need, you only have to look at what he achieved at Chelsea to see what sort of impact he has on a Football Club, not like the childish behavior of our manager who has cost us leagues and Champions leagues with his mouth.

Ged you cannot compare the game and managers of the 70's/80's yesteryears with that of today's; you can't even go back a decade!!! It's nonsense. The game of football has changed so much and for the worse imo - sadly money does the talking now - just look at the chavs... who were they before abramovich arrived? Now watch manshity...
What Rafa has done with the resources available is nothing short of amazing mate. If you cannot see this then I'm wasting my breath.

Ged-lay off the negative comments about Rafa.
The man has done extremely well considering his hands have been tied since he arrived.
He is building something special and has to be the best tactical manager around.
We are close to no 19 and it's time everyone gets behind the manager and the team

Ged your comparisons are not making sense. madrid and barça have dominated the spanish league during the last few decades because they are the only two sides here. Only Valencia (under our old friend Benítez) broke their stranglehold recently. if you think the English so called top 4 are head and shoulders above the rest then madrid and barça are wearing stilts!

Hiddick is a great manager but let's face it, he took over the chavs, the same team virtually maureen had made (money), and picked up the teams toys which had been thrown from their prams and got them playing again. Even avram grant managed a decent season with that squad and was unlucky not to have won the CL final!!! Uff.

and Rafa's mouth lost us nothing! at least he has the guts to stand up to that old alcoholic [oops] at manure! 2-1 at Anfield and 1-4 at old toilet and Rafa's cracking up! Yeah right...

Well said Red!

well if your going to say Hiddink only got his success through Mourinho's players you have to be fair and say Benitez only won the Champions league with Houllier's. Benitez mouth has cost us in the past, firstly he mouthed off about Drogba before the Semi Final against Chelsea in which it fired Drogba up and he virtualy single handedly knocked us out, then just after we had beat Newcastle 5-1 away last season and we were playing well he decided to open his mouth about a club we were not playing for 2 months and sure enough we draw our next three league games simply because he put pressure on his own team which we could'nt cope with, that in my book is an incompetent manager and i wont even go into the washing the clubs dirty laundry in public when he done his coaching the team rant aimed at the owners.

that's not what I said - I said that Hiddick is a great manager but you can hardly make him out to be better for LFC than Benítez just because he helped turn the chavs season around after Scolari's mess with the players that were already there and brilliant players at that - what I said it's not a good comparison. If Benítez did leave tomorrow then I would hope to get Hiddick but that's not the case and not worth discussing.

You obviously have a grudge about Rafa which you are entitled to.

King Kenny has come out in an interview today showering Rafa in praise for all the work he has achieved at the Club and especially at the Academy. He says that Benítez is an amazing manager and cares wholeheartly for the club at all levels, not just the first team. All I'll ask you Ged is this, if Kenny says this then who are we to knock our manager?

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Ged I'm confused when you say Arsenal are in there challenging for titles and don't take mediocrity etc. In the past five years they've finished above us twice?

Rafa has spent 212 million GROSS. 111m net in 5 years. That's hardly exorbitant is it? Considering he has replaced an entire squad with that 111m and taken us from 5th place in the league to 2nd.

Having patience with the manager and understanding that it takes time to build a squad that can compete on a consistent basis in all competitions is not accepting mediocrity. Its called common sense something that you lack.

Players want to come to Liverpool because its easier than playing for any of the other big four because expectations are lower? Do you read any of this [oops] that your posting? That has to be a wind up.

Comparing Madrid changing managers and Liverpool changing managers is illogical. Madrid change managers and the new manager can spend ridiculous amounts of money to buy all the players he wants which makes it a lot easier to remain consistent.

Zonal marking. Can't believe people still bring this up. Its not the system that's at fault its the players using the system. If Skrtel had attacked the ball like he was meant to then I doubt Ivanovic would of scored both those goals. Using a players mistake as a reason to have a go at the manager is pathetic.

I should stop looking at this thread lol the [oops] that gets posted in here makes my head hurt :P

Kenny Dalglish is regarded as Liverpool's greatest ever player and quite rightly so, he built my favourite team for the season 87/88 season so thats how highly i regard him but having said that in my opinion Kenny Dalglish started the demise of the club by losing the plot towards the end of his managerial reign, this was shown up by how hard a job Graeme Souness was left to pick up when he took over. I know Dalglish had a lot on his plate with Hillsborough to deal with but make no mistake the way he managed the club towards the end was a major factor in our demise ands an awful lot of people agree with that, so for me Dalglish saying things about Benitez is no real barometer of how good he is, similar to Maradonna praising Mascherano thats not such a good ringing endorsement either.