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if you don't mind I'll go with Rafa and the Melwood staff on this one Emp 
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absolute rubbish emp as usual - you need to start watching footie and you will see a number of clubs use zonal marking, and even more use a combination of zonal and man marking
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and arsene wenger took over a team that already had the best backline in english footie in place plus dennis bergkamp and built on those foundations
rafa came in and had to rebuild the shower of [oops] houllier left him Benitez was left Carragher, Big Sami, Riise, Gerrard and Hamann so there was not much difference both had a similar amount of quality players left to them by a previous manager.
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Totally crazy looking for him to be sacked. Correct me if i'm wrong but I think in the five years Rafa has been here, in two of those we had more points than in any other season we have had in history!!! Not too bad in my opinion and unlucky for us there were a couple of teams who bettered us on those years!! We have also had three seasons with the best defensive record and the season just gone we had the best attack (goals for) in the Prem. To say he he needs to go is ludicrous and the reason we have improved so much over the past 5 years is a credit to him. He has had limited funds to spend and bought players to fill gaps where he had to and then moved them on. Now he has built the foundations of an excellent first team and is trying to add to that to strengthen the squad and build for an exciting future. Why do you think so many of our players have extended their contracts???? Because they see trophys coming our way in the very near fututre and this team will be remembered as one of the best in Liverpool history! Think its alot easier to have the best defensive record when you are ultra defensive like we are and with playing two defensive midfielders in front of your back four for added protection. Think we are very appealing to players who want to sign for us because lets face it you are paid obscene amounts of money each week and playing for a club whose fans constantly live off former glories and also you can still play badly and not get stick off the crowd because there Philosophy is we are Liverpool we dont boo bad players and more importantly you dont have to win things you just need to go close to winning for fans to be happy with you it's a players dream. Imagine if they played for a United, Arsenal or Chelsea where there club and fans demand success and players are under constant pressure to perform and deliver and earn there obscene amounts of money.
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No ones perfect Emp - every manager has made mistakes.
we may be the 4th most supported club with an amazing history but we are nowhere when it comes to financial might of other clubs (mancs/chavs/arsenal/barça/madrid/milan/manshity/bayern etc etc), and I'm afraid that today that is of nº1 importance.
this is why rafa had to buy in mediocre players instead of stars, selling them on for a profit most of the time and then using that money to buy better and better players hence our current squad plus the fact we are slowly becoming a club that great players want to play for again.
Rafa has his footballing style, like it or not. He could get us playing like arsenal but I'd prefer to be challengers for the title than being back in 4th again watching our arses for the likes of villa and everton and wondering about the chances of Champions League games next season.
Negative? Top goal scoring team in the league with the best goal difference says not. OK we lost the title for drawing silly games, mainly at home - the only reason we didn't get that little bit extra is due to our squad. The mancs won cos their 2nd string has far more quality and more importantly, experience than ours, which all boils down to MONEY again or the lack of. I happen to think although money is important it's not the be all and end all when it comes to having a succesful team, if you have a good enough manager he can more than compensate for not spending the most money. If money is what it's all about why did'nt United win all those leagues they win today back in the 70s and 80s because every summer they always spent more money than us, I will tell you why because Sir Bob was a better manager than Dave Sexton and the great Joe Fagin was a better one than Ron from the Swan, having a good manager more than compensates then money Arsene Wenger has proved that by winning leagues of Fergie.
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we have had this arguement before so lets not ..but i'm right its crap ask ivanavic If big Sami would of been on the pitch we would'nt of concede those Chelsea goals from set peices, another Benitez [oops] up in another important game against Chelsea in Europe
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I think the game has changed and is more important than ever.
Now having a team is not enough, you need a squad plus the quality is far higher than it used to be with talent from all over the world.
You need money to be able to compete. If you dont have top Euro, like us. you have to be a bit more patient while the squad is slowly improved. If youre lucky with a good manager you get there but it takes time.
And of course its not good when teams with money like Real want to get your key players...of course the fact they want our players shows how much we've improved the quality of the squad.
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I think the game has changed and is more important than ever.
Now having a team is not enough, you need a squad plus the quality is far higher than it used to be with talent from all over the world.
You need money to be able to compete. If you dont have top Euro, like us. you have to be a bit more patient while the squad is slowly improved. If youre lucky with a good manager you get there but it takes time.
And of course its not good when teams with money like Real want to get your key players...of course the fact they want our players shows how much we've improved the quality of the squad. If you have agood enough manager you can compensate not having most money, some people make out we are paupers on here, Benitez has been given 200 million to win the league and he has'nt and thats the bottom line, If your manager is good enough 200 million pounds is enough money to deliver the title and whatsmore he has'nt delivered a trophy for over three seasons, dont forget since he came to the club he has only ever played for and concentrated on the Champions league each season until last season when he sacrificed both the League Cup and the F.A.Cup to concentrate on the League and Champions League.
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Why? Do you want to bitch about Rafa again because he's an idiot for having a price tag on Alonso and not Masch, and how the world will end if we lose Masch?
Everyone has a price tag. Everyone, at every club has a price tag. Money talks, buillshit walks. If somebody offered 100 million for Torres, he'd be off. So yeah Masch has a price whether the manager wants to sell him or not I think Torres will be off in the nest two seasons anyway 100 million or not, there is no way he is going to stay with us if we are not winning leagues or Champions Leagues in the next season or so, Torres seems to be an ambitious lad who has had his appetite wetted winning the Euro's with Spain and I dont think he wants to end up like a Gerrard or Shearer who stayed at clubs through loyalty which never provided them with the platform to win the games major Honours. If Shearer would of shown any sort of ambition and signed for United when he had the chance he would of ended his career with about 5 leagues and a couple of Champions leagues instead of one solitary league championship won at Blackburn, Gerrard is fast going the same way with just one Champions League, both these players will never be regarded as World class simply because they never won the games major honours on a regular basis, even players like Phil Neville, Darren Fletcher and the mighty Wes Brown have better medal collections than Shearer and Gerrard, winning medals is what it's all about no use in years time people saying he was a good player but never won anything Matt le Tissier was living proof of that.
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Ged seriously I though Emp spun some cr ap on here. Mate all I have to say is look at what happens with the Chav's and Real with them changing their manager constantly. It destabilises the team. If you think that Hiddink can come in here and immediately change the fortunes of our tema you are sorely mistaken. Besides, there is now way we have a chance of getting Hiddink to manage us as he is in bed with Abramavic.
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