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You obviously didn't read the second sentence in my post where i clearly state I DON'T AGREE WITH IT!!!
Fact is neither Masch nor Alonso has gone yet until they do we can't slate any of them!!

So we finally get the squad stable and playing good football. We miss out on the title by 4 points after beating United and Chelsea home and away and scoring the most goals in the premier league and you want to get rid of the manager that is responsible for it? What happens after that? Who replaces Rafa to take us to the next level? Its not like theres a surplus of top class managers just waiting for their chance at a big club you know.

If Rafa goes so will half the staff and half the players lol. We'll spend another 4 years rebuilding to the stage we are at now and then you'll want to get rid of that manager because he hasn't won a title in 4 years or more.

The reason United have been successful for so many years is because the board backs whiskeynose. We need to do the same. Look at Chelsea all the money in the world and yet they've still missed out on the premier league the past 3 years.

Rafa is bringing in people from over seas to help freshen up the academy. If the people there were doing such an awesome job why aren't we bringing more youth through to the first team?

I agree Alonso is part of the new breed of defensive mids like xavi etc but I don't think he has the ability to dominate the midfield next to somebody who is more attack minded. He needs masch there to break down the plays and give him the ball so he can start our counter attacks. Given the option I would rather lose mascherano than alonso because I think he would be the easiest to replace.

Stop talking sense Coxy! lol

I know I'm sorry its really rude of me to just barge in here and start talking sense :P

Sack Rafa hes useless..

it's slowly dawning on me that we'd be better off without the pair of them IF they want out so badly. Nothing worse than having unhappy players in the team...

Shame though seeing we are close to embarking on a very exciting future, which makes it all the stranger that Xabi and Mash want out at such a pivotal time

I'm sure (hope) Rafa has some aces to play to keep us up there if we do lose them both - you never know, a change may be a blessing?

Both Sport and Mundo Deportivo are reporting that at least there does appear to be some movement on one of Guardiola`s primary targets, with Javier Mascherano reportedly applying pressure on Liverpool to allow him to fulfill his ambition of moving to Barcelona. According to Mundo Deportivo: “ Mascherano has also instructed his representatives to begin a formal dialogue with Liverpool in order to persuade them to sell him to Barcelona. As well as being attracted by the possibility of playing for the European Champions, he has also had his head turned by compatriot Lionel Messi who has been making him very jealous with tales of the fantastic lifestyle in Catalunya.” According to MD, Mascherano and his family have been unable to settle in England and a combination of the bad weather and lifestyle in England has had Mr Mascherano, Mrs Mascherano and all the little Mascheranos yearning for some stale bread with tomato rubbed on it.


According to Marca, Mascherano`s “increasingly likely” move to Barcelona has effectively scuppered Real Madrid`s chances of signing Xabi Alonso; while AS are reporting that there are at least 47 million other reasons why Liverpool`s Spanish midfielder will not be going to the Bernabeu – €47 million roughly translates as the conversion rate of the £40 million transfer fee that Liverpool have slapped on Alonso.


AS are also reporting that Alvaro Arbeloa`s agent, Manuel Garcia Quilon, has effectively agreed personal terms on behalf of the player with Real Madrid, but that the Spanish side are only willing to part with €4 million for the Liverpool players services; Anfield have valued Arbeloa at €9 million, according to AS. The Madrid based paper believes that, should Real fail in their attempt to sign Arbeloa for that amount, then they may turn their attention to Gael Clichy – which is interesting, considering that AS writes that the Arsenal defender is valued at €17 million.

And with all of these players signing up to the Galactico road-show, it is inevitable that a number of papers have focused upon the fact that Real Madrid now have around 29 first teamers on their books (Marca), and with more to follow, there is plenty of speculation as to who will be leaving.

There is no way whiskey nose as you say would be given seven years in todays game so am afraid your talking nonesense about Fergie being backed and thats why he is so succesful now, he would of been out after about three years in todays game and if he had spent the money Benitez has and still not produced a league, Look at the pressure Wenger is under and he has only gone a season longer than us without winning something and he's a man who has produced the league. What you are failing to recognise is that at the start of the season Arsenal, Chelsea and United set out to win all the four trophies, League, Champions League, F.A.Cup and League Cup, thats what there fans expect them to do and rightly so, Benitez since he has been at the club apart from last season has concentrated on one and only one and that's the Champions league. People say he has done fantastic in Europe well come on lets face it if you are out of the league in October first season then two septembers and a before Xmas in the next three then you only have the champions league game to concentrate on so he rests players on the Saturday in the league so they are nice and fresh for the midweek european games it's not rocket science to know why he does so well, Teams like Arsenal, United and Chelsea's clubs and fans simply wont accept this and they have to play full strenghth teams on the Saturday it's only our fans who will put up with it. Even the F.A.Cup is sacrificed with humiliation against Burnley and Barnsley and a weakend team against Everton, we were even lucky to get past the mighty Havant and Waterlooville. Last season he competed for the the league and the Champions league but we went out of both domestic competitions after just one hurdle which is simply not good enough especialy when Arsenal, Chelsea and United were all still mathamaticaly in contention for every trophy going into the last month of the season. The other thing i want to mention is you say we cant dominate a midfield without a Mascherano type player and Alonso is not strong enough well how is it United won the league and came within a whisker of a clean sweep of trophies playing with a ball player like Carrick unless ofcorse you want to call him a midfield spoiler.

Between 2003 - 2006 Man U won the FA cup and the community sheild. Hardly what is expected of them if as you say they set out to win everything from the off.

Truth is they were rebuilding during this time and the club chose to back him in what he was doing. 3 years they won relatively [oops] all and he wasn't sacked. The club backed him up and see what happens...

You still didn't answer my question though. What happens after we sack Benitez? Which manager is going to come and take us to a league title?

And Chelsea, United and Arsenal all rotate their teams just as much as we do through the season. Chelsea and United just have much better squad depth than we do. Its tough to get that much depth in the squad without spending significant amounts of money like Chelsea have.

You obviously have something against Benitez so its pointless arguing with you. We have improved each year that he has been in charge. I see no reason to believe we wont improve again next year. Wait until transfer season is over and see what the squad is like before you start condemning him.

Couldn't edit my last post. So I'll just add. Fletcher, Hargreaves and Anderson all play the more combative midfielder for united. Carrick is their version of Alonso.

Look at what happens with teams like Real and Chavs when they change their manager all the time.