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Originally Posted By: nogger64
red4life, the roots of the club are always going to be local. But it is diluted. Remember that even some of us OOTs are from the city. I'm from Norris Green but live on the south coast. I've earned my stripes over many years.

Smaller clubs don't have the gravitas to pull in thousands of non-locals but there'll be some, and possibly welcomed. The bigger more successful, the more heritage the club has the more people will gravitate to it. It's a fact.

The club is 'branded' and 'marketered' to attract more folk and everywhere to spread the message and the cash-generating net. Like it or not it's the business these guys are in. To have it only local would be great in terms of the depth of scouse flavour but where do you stop; only local players, only local owners? There's a limited pool of billionaires on merseyside if you want to compete the way the trend is. If you don't want that then do a Barcelona; local talent (mostly) taught from a very young age, steeped in the traditions of the club. Sounds great but it'll take 20 years to put in place and the club's financial structure would have to be resolved first - ownership in trust, held by the one constant - Fans.

Some very good points you have made there nogger64 and it's refreshing to hear from a person who actualy has some roots with the City of Liverpool. I would just like to add I would not like to see Liverpool Football Club to be all scouse unlike what some people seem to think, I think Out of Town and foreign fans add something to our great Club by bringing different ways and cultures, my problem is that I feel that the local identity has now been swallowed up to the point there are hardly any locals at home games which I feel is wrong. You have been brought up in the City like I have so you know there is a difference between a local who has no choice who to support due to where he lives and his family and someone from outside who picks a club to support because he likes them or because they are famous and successful and thats what the majority of our fans do and why I say we are different. I am sorry there is just no way in a million years I could say I tell you what I like Bayern Munich because I like there kit or because they won the champions league all those years ago so I will go and support them even though I dont live there, have nothing in common with the people of Munich and have only been there about twice in my life, it's just a complete joke. If you are born in Liverpool or Merseyside you support either Liverpool, Everton or Tranmere if you are born in Birmingham it's Birmingham City or Villa or if you dont live in a place where there is a football Club you support the nearest one to you, it's about supporting a club which represents the place your from and the person you are, you definately dont support it because it's successful or famous like most of our fans have done, Liverpool and United are the worst Clubs for gloryhunting fans and it's no coincidence both clubs are the most successful in the country and the fans of both our clubs are most fickle.

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you should support Millwall if a club should represent the person you are.

Don't bother replying as i will be deleting any posts you make from now on.


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red just because you cant understand how people outside of liverpool can love the club the way you do, doesnt mean they dont. it just means your narrow minded fella.

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goodman wakka im sick of this [oops] posting crap, we need to bring in an ignore system or sumtin im sick of these clowns posting crap and them making new accounts to back themselves up lol


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never let an idiot on the net bring you down to his level,because then he has won.


I think somebody intelligent said that.


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never argue with an idiot....

....they will drag you down to their level....


...and then beat you with experience.


Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
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He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.

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ok so he isn't that intelligent merv


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I agree with Jonny, the Huang deal was fishy from earlier in the week, especially when CIC made a statement that they had no idea who he was and nothing about investing in a football club. News reporting always said the "mysterious Huang" as an investor worried me, do we really want a mysterious character on this?

The bottom line to me on Huang is that he is a gifted wheeler-dealer with illusions of greatness in pulling off a deal that he has convinced his investors he can make profitable by saturating the Asian market. Iffy at best and what happens when he does not-our funds dry up because these investors will not continue to poor money into a bad investment. He did not sell them on supporting one of the greatest clubs in the world, he convinced them that this was a great way to make a buck. In a statement today, Huang was quoted that the building of a new stadium was a long term project as in down the road. Again, I read this as lets see how much money we can make first.

CIC does have more money than God, but they are not involved. Some news wank even said today that they were only a 20% investor-Not true. They do not invest in these risky ventures and the Chinese people are already in uproar over rumors of using their funds in this manner.

The other potential US group, same motivation as Huang, less money and more risk adverse. Should not even be in the running.

To date, I like the Indians, from what I've read, Roy is the single richest billionare in India and his partner is a close second who are passionate about the club. I think we really need someone like that who has a passion for the club and money to burn in that passion. In my opinion, a well funded club, well managed will make profit-slowly, but a profit and everyone will win.

Although I've never followed club sales so closely before like the Chelsea takeover, it bothers the hell out of me that the complete details on theses final bids are not public. Further, that their money resources are not clearly identified.

It is encouraging that the BA Exec is running things and has stated that money is not the driving force, that they must consider the long term impact of the sale, but lets hope he does not fall to financial pressure. It would not bother me if they took their time and really researched these guys.

As for the team, I believe under Roy, we will be in good shape as we are, sell that [oops] Masch, possibly buy a good striker and await a solid buyer of the club and look for funding in the next transfer window to improve the team for the second leg. I know that the banks have that September deadline and that can easily work for us. The reporter and everyone else and their dog and talking like this must be done before the transfer window closes and that to me is a huge mistake. It would be great with the right buyer, not by far not even close to the importance of a good buyer/club sale.

We've seen and been blinded by the money, the promises, but of equal importance to us should be the buyers motivation and character.

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I don't trust anyone anymore,potential new owners need to be subjected to some serious examination before being allowed to proceed with the purchase.Not just the pathetic "fit and proper persons" [oops].


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Originally Posted By: red4life
fair enough plenty of you have made your feelings clear you dont agree with my point of view, thats fine I have no problem with that as it's a forum where people can air the views wether people agree with them or not. What I do want to know is the answer to the question I asked before, if fans supported a club just because it was famous or successful like so many of our gloryhunting fans do where would that leave clubs like Southampton, Brighton, Hartlepool United and Burnley's of this world. A clubs identity is born out of where it comes from, the things that made Liverpool fans famous throughout the world was there scouse mentality and humour and this sadly has ebbed away over the years, this is why I say the club has lost it's identit. I have said previously that I think out of towners and foreign fans play an important part in the club but for me it has swung too far and the locals are now in a minority, for me, just think it's very sad.


There can be other things that attract fans than just the winning ability of the team and the "localness". Some teams attract fans just because they have an entertaining play style. In Sweden where I´m from there is a Hockey Club called Leksand, and that club has loads of fans all over the country, even though they dropped out of the first league some 5 years ago. The reason: They always play 100% on attack! Their matches can easily end 9-7 or 8-0 (or from time to time also 1-9). So when You see a blue/white/yellow scarf You feel warm at heart no matter if You´re an OOT or not! Just because You know that lad loves the same kind of game as yourself.

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