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What we're seeing is the psychological consequence of last season's quad collapse. It stems from Klopp to his coaches and right through the team... the mental repercussions are plain to see. These players did not become bad over night, did not become defensively abysmal overnight, did not become inept at attacking the opposition overnight... this is a malaise the has polluted the collective consciousness of our team and has resulted in a weird mix of apathy and a loss of confidence. How do you explain the sudden and colossal fall in form of players like TAA, VVD, Robbo, Salah, and all of our midfielders? If you're about to win everything and become the biggest legends ever and in just two games collapse into lucky double domestic cup winners, subject to everyone's banter around the world, it's bound to have some psychological effect. They couldn't get up for the new season, they are struggling to 'go again,' they look jaded and mentally tired, even apathetic when it comes to the things they normally do like pressing. This is not helped by ageing and FSG refusing to strengthen properly - but there is no denying we're in some mental funk. Whether it lasts the season and costs us a CL place remains to be seen. Recent injuries (which are another manifestation of the mental collapse) would suggest that it will.

I also worry about klopps body language he looks down

Hyperbole.

There was no quad collapse. We fell just short of the line at the very end. We lost games/dropped points in games where it was always a possibility. Spurs and Real Madrid both adopted similar tactics and achieved results against us. Furthermore, the tactics they used had been effective against us for at least a year I believe.

I do agree that the disappointment of missing out on the two big titles may have affected individuals and the team psychologically. Perhaps Klopp & FSG failed to address that over the summer. Players should have been given an extra couple of weeks off maybe and exciting new additions to the squad would have helped.

That you think it's 'hyperbole' is precisely why it has infected the collective mind of the club. That's how things work in the social media world. The players now believed they failed... and that all their hard work was just to finish second in the important comps. It's a malaise that grows like a virus... and as you say there wasn't enough new personnel to change the dynamics of the mentality.

I might look too simplistic but I think that we are struggling defensively mainly because we have replaced a defensive midfielder by an attacking one. We always had 3 work horses, Wij, Fab, Hendo when we won the league, then Wij was replaced by Tiago who is less defensive but acceptable, now we have Eliott and recently Jota replacing Fab. Of course we will concede more