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#641420 03/10/22 11:48 AM
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If you were the boss, what would you change? What do you think needs to be done, bearing in mind, there's no magic money tree under FSG. It's not all about transfers in and out though. Are there things you would change at the club / with the team, that doesn't involve player sales/purchases? Is Klopp missing something obvious?

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Originally Posted By Dunk
If you were the boss, what would you change? What do you think needs to be done, bearing in mind, there's no magic money tree under FSG. It's not all about transfers in and out though. Are there things you would change at the club / with the team, that doesn't involve player sales/purchases? Is Klopp missing something obvious?


I would move TAA from of the right back to the midfield position ASAP. However, as we do not have anybody good enough to play right full back, I would play 5 defenders until we buy a good FB. 5 defenders with 3 central defenders with TAA on the right and Robertson/Tsimikas on the left. In midfield I would play 2 of Fabinho, Tiago and Henderson. In front would be Diaz, Salah and Nunez (unless he is really another Caroll). So first thing I would do is play 541 or 523 or 343 in the different phases of the game. Our biggest problem right now is defence, and we cannot keep on playing the game that is costing us so many goals.

In the next transfer window,I would buy a right Full Back first,then a midfielder

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I would keep it tight at the start of games, we keep giving silly goals away and are always playing catchup, like we did against Brighton going 0-2 down so quickly (we have been doing this since the middle of last season). I think the midfield is not giving the defensive as much cover, so the defenders are under pressure, like at the weekend when the defenders were trying to clear the ball early in the game, we just need to keep it tight and stop giving away stupid goals, then we can get confidence and open the game up abit, so that is a tactical change from Klopp and the coaches.

TAA has a loss of confidence, with how we have conceded goals and how he was treated by England, moving him to MF does not really change that, I would keep him at RB, but work with him on being abit more solid and not bombing forward as much while we are struggling so much in Défense.

We need (at least 1, ideally 2) all round midfielder brought in, but I cannot see that happening until the summer, hopefully Jones will be back soon and he can be involved, for me Ox & Keita are done as you cannot base anything on their availability, we have a big job on in the summer rebuilding the MF, as we are likely to lose Ox, Keita & Milner, so that is allot to replace, especially when teams we will be buying from know that and will demand silly money for their players.

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I would keep it tight at the start of games, we keep giving silly goals away and are always playing catchup, like we did against Brighton going 0-2 down so quickly (we have been doing this since the middle of last season). I think the midfield is not giving the defensive as much cover, so the defenders are under pressure, like at the weekend when the defenders were trying to clear the ball early in the game, we just need to keep it tight and stop giving away stupid goals, then we can get confidence and open the game up abit, so that is a tactical change from Klopp and the coaches.

TAA has a loss of confidence, with how we have conceded goals and how he was treated by England, moving him to MF does not really change that, I would keep him at RB, but work with him on being abit more solid and not bombing forward as much while we are struggling so much in Défense.

We need (at least 1, ideally 2) all round midfielder brought in, but I cannot see that happening until the summer, hopefully Jones will be back soon and he can be involved, for me Ox & Keita are done as you cannot base anything on their availability, we have a big job on in the summer rebuilding the MF, as we are likely to lose Ox, Keita & Milner, so that is allot to replace, especially when teams we will be buying from know that and will demand silly money for their players.


Yes, we cannot move TAA in midfield because we don't have anybody better at RB, but playing with 3 CBs will I think will make better defending. However, I don't think Klopp would do that as he is too attack minded. You give Conte the same team and he makes our defence better

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
I would keep it tight at the start of games, we keep giving silly goals away and are always playing catchup, like we did against Brighton going 0-2 down so quickly (we have been doing this since the middle of last season). I think the midfield is not giving the defensive as much cover, so the defenders are under pressure, like at the weekend when the defenders were trying to clear the ball early in the game, we just need to keep it tight and stop giving away stupid goals, then we can get confidence and open the game up abit, so that is a tactical change from Klopp and the coaches.

TAA has a loss of confidence, with how we have conceded goals and how he was treated by England, moving him to MF does not really change that, I would keep him at RB, but work with him on being abit more solid and not bombing forward as much while we are struggling so much in Défense.

We need (at least 1, ideally 2) all round midfielder brought in, but I cannot see that happening until the summer, hopefully Jones will be back soon and he can be involved, for me Ox & Keita are done as you cannot base anything on their availability, we have a big job on in the summer rebuilding the MF, as we are likely to lose Ox, Keita & Milner, so that is allot to replace, especially when teams we will be buying from know that and will demand silly money for their players.


Yes, we cannot move TAA in midfield because we don't have anybody better at RB, but playing with 3 CBs will I think will make better defending. However, I don't think Klopp would do that as he is too attack minded. You give Conte the same team and he makes our defence better


I agree, Conte makes us stronger defensively, but then we struggle to score goals as freely, as Spurs have seen, there is a balancing point where you can tighten up defensively and be less adventurous, but still carry a decent attacking threat, we did that in 20/21 when we won allot of games by low margins, we score a goal then closed the game down.

One thing on TAA people aren't mentioning is that allot of his poor performances recently have been while Henderson was out injured, Henderson covers TAA so well, when TAA bombs forward, Henderson just drops in behind him and cuts the right side channel off for the opposing team, so I think we will see allot less exploitation of the space behind TAA now Henderson is back, Elliott just does not give that defensive cover to TAA.

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I would keep it tight at the start of games, we keep giving silly goals away and are always playing catchup, like we did against Brighton going 0-2 down so quickly (we have been doing this since the middle of last season). I think the midfield is not giving the defensive as much cover, so the defenders are under pressure, like at the weekend when the defenders were trying to clear the ball early in the game, we just need to keep it tight and stop giving away stupid goals, then we can get confidence and open the game up abit, so that is a tactical change from Klopp and the coaches.

TAA has a loss of confidence, with how we have conceded goals and how he was treated by England, moving him to MF does not really change that, I would keep him at RB, but work with him on being abit more solid and not bombing forward as much while we are struggling so much in Défense.

We need (at least 1, ideally 2) all round midfielder brought in, but I cannot see that happening until the summer, hopefully Jones will be back soon and he can be involved, for me Ox & Keita are done as you cannot base anything on their availability, we have a big job on in the summer rebuilding the MF, as we are likely to lose Ox, Keita & Milner, so that is allot to replace, especially when teams we will be buying from know that and will demand silly money for their players.


Yes, we cannot move TAA in midfield because we don't have anybody better at RB, but playing with 3 CBs will I think will make better defending. However, I don't think Klopp would do that as he is too attack minded. You give Conte the same team and he makes our defence better


I agree, Conte makes us stronger defensively, but then we struggle to score goals as freely, as Spurs have seen, there is a balancing point where you can tighten up defensively and be less adventurous, but still carry a decent attacking threat, we did that in 20/21 when we won allot of games by low margins, we score a goal then closed the game down.

One thing on TAA people aren't mentioning is that allot of his poor performances recently have been while Henderson was out injured, Henderson covers TAA so well, when TAA bombs forward, Henderson just drops in behind him and cuts the right side channel off for the opposing team, so I think we will see allot less exploitation of the space behind TAA now Henderson is back, Elliott just does not give that defensive cover to TAA.


Then Klopp is a fool to play the same system with different players, ie, Hendo and Eliott. He should adapt to the tools he has

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
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Yes, we cannot move TAA in midfield because we don't have anybody better at RB, but playing with 3 CBs will I think will make better defending. However, I don't think Klopp would do that as he is too attack minded. You give Conte the same team and he makes our defence better


I agree, Conte makes us stronger defensively, but then we struggle to score goals as freely, as Spurs have seen, there is a balancing point where you can tighten up defensively and be less adventurous, but still carry a decent attacking threat, we did that in 20/21 when we won allot of games by low margins, we score a goal then closed the game down.

One thing on TAA people aren't mentioning is that allot of his poor performances recently have been while Henderson was out injured, Henderson covers TAA so well, when TAA bombs forward, Henderson just drops in behind him and cuts the right side channel off for the opposing team, so I think we will see allot less exploitation of the space behind TAA now Henderson is back, Elliott just does not give that defensive cover to TAA.


Then Klopp is a fool to play the same system with different players, ie, Hendo and Eliott. He should adapt to the tools he has


Klopp believes in his system, it is like the high defensive line, we occasionally get caught out and look stupid, but overall Klopp & the coaches must believe it delivers more for us to use.

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Yes, we cannot move TAA in midfield because we don't have anybody better at RB, but playing with 3 CBs will I think will make better defending. However, I don't think Klopp would do that as he is too attack minded. You give Conte the same team and he makes our defence better


I agree, Conte makes us stronger defensively, but then we struggle to score goals as freely, as Spurs have seen, there is a balancing point where you can tighten up defensively and be less adventurous, but still carry a decent attacking threat, we did that in 20/21 when we won allot of games by low margins, we score a goal then closed the game down.

One thing on TAA people aren't mentioning is that allot of his poor performances recently have been while Henderson was out injured, Henderson covers TAA so well, when TAA bombs forward, Henderson just drops in behind him and cuts the right side channel off for the opposing team, so I think we will see allot less exploitation of the space behind TAA now Henderson is back, Elliott just does not give that defensive cover to TAA.


Then Klopp is a fool to play the same system with different players, ie, Hendo and Eliott. He should adapt to the tools he has


Klopp believes in his system, it is like the high defensive line, we occasionally get caught out and look stupid, but overall Klopp & the coaches must believe it delivers more for us to use.


Well, when I look I the table, what I see is that they don't know what they are doing.

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Hey Dunk, long time since I was on here! Adverse times bring me back it seems.

Clearly there is deflatedness, lack of sharpness in mind, a lack of communication, togetherness even, and/or not believing in their task / duty. All our players have one thing they're best at but they currently don't show enough variety in the other things they actually do well too.

Take the left hand side. In defence, Van Dijk shouldn't always dictate simple passes from deep. Tsimikas shouldn't always pass, feign a run, then cut back and play inside again, Thiago shouldn't always tiki-taka from deeper positions and stay there, Diaz shouldn't always run and cut back on his right foot.

We used to talk about our team being fluid, balanced and unpredictable - I'd argue the players have been completely disengaged with the match they're playing and just following orders to try and try again.

I'd mix up the positions on the pitch more than we currently do and I'd consider how, in training, relationships that work between players can be maximised. Why can't Diaz play from the right and put some crosses in for Nunez drifting in from the left-wing, for example. Why can't Salah play up front, with someone playing just off him to give him a player to give and go with. Why can't Henderson, like Matip, take a run at players to drive us forward rather than give and goes.

When I watched yesterday, my concern was more to do with how difficult we made lives for ourselves in that second half especially. We actually played well for 48 minutes of the first half - I'm omitting the start and end which were mistakes, very costly but they were just mistakes. In the second half, players weren't close enough to link up, there was an expectation someone would bail us out, create something from nothing. Meanwhile, Arsenal were mixing up everything they could to make something happen.

We need a bit of that variety, maybe it's just the players bedding in, but I'd force it a little while we are a little bit off colour and put players like Van Dijk, Fabinho, Salah on their heels a little bit. Remove that comfort zone they are in. Put Van Dijk and Trent alongside each other - they'd soon communicate what's going wrong. Move Fabinho further forward and drop Henderson back at times in the game. Put Salah near the edge of the box and let the other players make space for him, rather than the reverse. Fear is in the unknown - we're a known quantity too often as it stands.

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Originally Posted By jjmelling/Stato
Hey Dunk, long time since I was on here! Adverse times bring me back it seems.


Great to see you! Hope you're good!

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