KopTalk

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By Pickles
Giving Klopp time off to go back to Germany to allow him to grieve and see his family, will be better for us in the long run.

Allowing him to carry on this season with us will inevitably lead to a tough decision by the Owners. We are in a results business and if we carry on in this vain it will leave the Owners with no other option but to terminate Klopp's contract.

Bring Rafa back to steady us and give us a fresh perspective. Klopp no doubt will still have some input, however I believe we will be better for it next season. Rafa can solidify the defensive side of the team and root out weak parts of our play. It should lead to getting rid of deadwood that have no place in the squad.

Having Klopp back in a better mental state of mind can only benefit LFC longterm. If Rafa does well, we can offer him an Ambassador / Consultant role at the club.


I think he is in burnout mode, so needs some rest, but can't see him accepting Rafa back unless he agrees he really needs to take some leave. It will be his decision at the end of the day.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We all know the reasons for our slump, we have lost key players for most/large parts of the season, we are playing inexperienced/young players and players out of position, weakening their original position, like MF when we took Fab & Henderson out to pay CB.

The problem I see is that we do not have like for like players, we lose a top quality CB like VvD/Matip/Gomez and we are playing inexperienced players like Williams/Phillips or MF who do not know the position.

I think we need to change tactics/formation, it is crazy how we are dropping Phillips/Williams etc into CB to replace VvD/Gomez/Matip, they do not have the pace/positioning/ability to play the high line, teams like Chelsea & Fulham are exploiting this, while we have these injuries. We need to play to suit the players we have, so drop the defense back abit, so we do not have a huge space behind Phillips that the opposition can exploit, RB today was a joke with Fulham playing behind Neco & Phillips.

Watching the interviews of opposing managers, they all know this, play it into space/behind Liverpool defence and you will turn them around and create chances, they have all said this on TV before games, we need to adjust our formation and drop the defence back abit from the highline.

We are going behind in games because of this, we need to be more solid IMO, dog out a few games, go into games not wanting to lose, not trying to win by a few goals, our confidence is shot, so as soon as we go behind, it's game over as the team lose ideas and confidence, heads go down, we need to get confidence by becoming more solid, try 442 and make the MF more solid, giving cover to the defence, like when Klopp first took over and we were leaking goals.


I am not sure Klopp knows how to drop the defence back system, yesterday we conceded when the whole defence was at the back, same for Leicester equalising goal, we usually conceded as soon as our defence is under pressure.

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,054
E
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
E Offline
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,054
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We all know the reasons for our slump, we have lost key players for most/large parts of the season, we are playing inexperienced/young players and players out of position, weakening their original position, like MF when we took Fab & Henderson out to pay CB.

The problem I see is that we do not have like for like players, we lose a top quality CB like VvD/Matip/Gomez and we are playing inexperienced players like Williams/Phillips or MF who do not know the position.

I think we need to change tactics/formation, it is crazy how we are dropping Phillips/Williams etc into CB to replace VvD/Gomez/Matip, they do not have the pace/positioning/ability to play the high line, teams like Chelsea & Fulham are exploiting this, while we have these injuries. We need to play to suit the players we have, so drop the defense back abit, so we do not have a huge space behind Phillips that the opposition can exploit, RB today was a joke with Fulham playing behind Neco & Phillips.

Watching the interviews of opposing managers, they all know this, play it into space/behind Liverpool defence and you will turn them around and create chances, they have all said this on TV before games, we need to adjust our formation and drop the defence back abit from the highline.

We are going behind in games because of this, we need to be more solid IMO, dog out a few games, go into games not wanting to lose, not trying to win by a few goals, our confidence is shot, so as soon as we go behind, it's game over as the team lose ideas and confidence, heads go down, we need to get confidence by becoming more solid, try 442 and make the MF more solid, giving cover to the defence, like when Klopp first took over and we were leaking goals.


I am not sure Klopp knows how to drop the defence back system, yesterday we conceded when the whole defence was at the back, same for Leicester equalising goal, we usually conceded as soon as our defence is under pressure.


I get what you mean about how the goals were scored, but when you look at our highline yesterday, Fulham were just pinging the ball behind Neco and the defense was turned with slow players like Phillips trying to catch attackers behind him, a few times we were all over the place as Robertson was stepping in to try and help the CB but playing everyone on side, so Fulham created lots of chances but did not take them.

My point is we need to stop this run of defeats, IMO that is by making us hard to score against,beat, be less adventurous pressing the FB's up playing a high line, get more bodies in/around MF to help protect the defense, get stuck in abit and become difficult to play against.

Like against Chelsea, Kovavic deliberately kicked the ball into Mane's head while he was lay on the ground, Kovavic laughed, Mane squared up to him, I just wish Mane would have knocked him out and got a 3 game ban, at least a few mins later someone should have gone through Kovavic to let him know he aint getting away with that.

We are an easy touch and opposition managers know that, how can we be on such a terrible run and performances and be top of the Fair Play league???? we should be digging in more and making it hard for teams to play against us, keep it solid, then nick the occasional goal, we need to stabilise before we can think of playing the free flowing football we have been used to for the last few years.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We all know the reasons for our slump, we have lost key players for most/large parts of the season, we are playing inexperienced/young players and players out of position, weakening their original position, like MF when we took Fab & Henderson out to pay CB.

The problem I see is that we do not have like for like players, we lose a top quality CB like VvD/Matip/Gomez and we are playing inexperienced players like Williams/Phillips or MF who do not know the position.

I think we need to change tactics/formation, it is crazy how we are dropping Phillips/Williams etc into CB to replace VvD/Gomez/Matip, they do not have the pace/positioning/ability to play the high line, teams like Chelsea & Fulham are exploiting this, while we have these injuries. We need to play to suit the players we have, so drop the defense back abit, so we do not have a huge space behind Phillips that the opposition can exploit, RB today was a joke with Fulham playing behind Neco & Phillips.

Watching the interviews of opposing managers, they all know this, play it into space/behind Liverpool defence and you will turn them around and create chances, they have all said this on TV before games, we need to adjust our formation and drop the defence back abit from the highline.

We are going behind in games because of this, we need to be more solid IMO, dog out a few games, go into games not wanting to lose, not trying to win by a few goals, our confidence is shot, so as soon as we go behind, it's game over as the team lose ideas and confidence, heads go down, we need to get confidence by becoming more solid, try 442 and make the MF more solid, giving cover to the defence, like when Klopp first took over and we were leaking goals.


I am not sure Klopp knows how to drop the defence back system, yesterday we conceded when the whole defence was at the back, same for Leicester equalising goal, we usually conceded as soon as our defence is under pressure.


I get what you mean about how the goals were scored, but when you look at our highline yesterday, Fulham were just pinging the ball behind Neco and the defense was turned with slow players like Phillips trying to catch attackers behind him, a few times we were all over the place as Robertson was stepping in to try and help the CB but playing everyone on side, so Fulham created lots of chances but did not take them.

My point is we need to stop this run of defeats, IMO that is by making us hard to score against,beat, be less adventurous pressing the FB's up playing a high line, get more bodies in/around MF to help protect the defense, get stuck in abit and become difficult to play against.

Like against Chelsea, Kovavic deliberately kicked the ball into Mane's head while he was lay on the ground, Kovavic laughed, Mane squared up to him, I just wish Mane would have knocked him out and got a 3 game ban, at least a few mins later someone should have gone through Kovavic to let him know he aint getting away with that.

We are an easy touch and opposition managers know that, how can we be on such a terrible run and performances and be top of the Fair Play league???? we should be digging in more and making it hard for teams to play against us, keep it solid, then nick the occasional goal, we need to stabilise before we can think of playing the free flowing football we have been used to for the last few years.


You are asking a change of tactics from high press and possession to absorbing the attack and play counter (United is the best club at that and probably Spurs), I just don't think Klopp knows how to do that

Last edited by EnergisedReds; 08/03/21 02:11 PM.
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628
he should know how to do all tactics ?


IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
he should know how to do all tactics ?


Not really, all managers have their own styles, it's not easy to just copy, this is what makes each of them unique

Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,054
E
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
E Offline
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 6,054
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
he should know how to do all tactics ?


Not really, all managers have their own styles, it's not easy to just copy, this is what makes each of them unique


But surely you have to adjust tactics to match the players you have available, playing the high line is not working as we are consistently losing games and conceding goals, while creating very few chances, it has got to be better to try something different than continue with a system that is not currently working. I am sure when Klopp first took over he tightened up the defence and made us hard to beat after Spurs beat us 4-1 in 2017.

We have a large staff of tacticians/analysts etc, so surely they should be working with Klopp to identify a system/tactic better suited to the players we have currently available?

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
he should know how to do all tactics ?


Not really, all managers have their own styles, it's not easy to just copy, this is what makes each of them unique


But surely you have to adjust tactics to match the players you have available, playing the high line is not working as we are consistently losing games and conceding goals, while creating very few chances, it has got to be better to try something different than continue with a system that is not currently working. I am sure when Klopp first took over he tightened up the defence and made us hard to beat after Spurs beat us 4-1 in 2017.

We have a large staff of tacticians/analysts etc, so surely they should be working with Klopp to identify a system/tactic better suited to the players we have currently available?


I agree that we need to review our tactics based on the players we have but i am not sure Klopp knows how to do this just as Big Sam won't know how to play attacking football. Klopp only sorted our defence after buying VvD and Alisson who are both very good with their feet and also very quick

Last edited by EnergisedReds; 08/03/21 06:41 PM.
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  KopTalk Team 

Link Copied to Clipboard
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
Advertisements
Liverpool FC Discussion