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It's clear to me what he is saying

It's a results business and klopp has to find the answers or he will pay the price

I agree with that, what i am asking if he thinks Klopp doesn't know that, on top of that we are not even playing good football

If you read my previous post you should understand what I am saying. Like Wenger was fixated with playing a certain way, Klopp seems to be stubborn about playing 4-3-3, a high back line and what he calls heavy metal football. Even as the defeat count mounted up, not once did he do something different to try and stop the rot.


Against Chelsea, he could have just set up the team simply to try and avoid defeat. 0-0 would have been fine for us. Maybe he gambled to try and get 3 points. But we could have made it a bore draw like the Chelsea Man United game was. That's not in Klopp's nature it seems but he needs to rethink perhaps - sometimes that is what is required to stay competitive at the top over a long period.

I don't think he knows how to do what you are proposing and I am sure he knows that it's a results game.

Klopp has taken the current first team stars as far as they can go. The front three look jaded. If you think about what he achieved it is staggering. Losing CL final, horribly, then battling to win it following yr (inc that comeback against Barca), losing out on title by 1 point then winning it following year. Asking the same team to go again, in empty stadia when they have won everything inc World club cup is probably a no go. You could see them running out of steam at end of last season.

There is no hunger or youthful exuberance to work with, anymore. We need half a dozen new players, end of.

I think you may be on the right lines with this analysis but I would tweak it slightly to say that Klopp is perhaps better at building a team rather than sustaining one.

The reason I tweak your idea is because I'm pretty sure most teams defended against us last season when we won the league so that would rule out he can't go against low block teams (although he definitely isn't as good as pep in that regard).

To a few posters saying things have to change and he needs this and that etc, I do agree but again a bit of time might be needed to do that. You can't really expect him to build a new team around all our defensive injuries and a covid January transfer window. He already bought Jota and Thiago last year and with our full team they probably would have much more impact. Thiago was probably bought for the very reason of trying to change our style. Give it one more window with a proper pre season and a full squad and then lets see where we are at. I don't see the point in having a bee in our bonnet during our predicament with injuries and a covid season etc.

Forget about this season, whether we finish 15th or 5th probably doesn't really matter even though it sucks to see us be so bad.

The team have not played well since they had the break last year because of Covid. Even though there was a time when a reduced number of fans were allowed into the stadium our performance did not really improve. The points we could have finished the season on went out the window too. If the fans had always been there in the stadium at Anfield or away then I believe we would not be in this position. I am not saying we would be as good as we were before all the injuries but we wouldn't be as bad as we are. The crowd boosted the team on so many occasions eg Dortmund and Barcelona. The team miss the crowd and all the energy they provide even in a psychological way. Next season will be a different story.

We all know the reasons for our slump, we have lost key players for most/large parts of the season, we are playing inexperienced/young players and players out of position, weakening their original position, like MF when we took Fab & Henderson out to pay CB.

The problem I see is that we do not have like for like players, we lose a top quality CB like VvD/Matip/Gomez and we are playing inexperienced players like Williams/Phillips or MF who do not know the position.

I think we need to change tactics/formation, it is crazy how we are dropping Phillips/Williams etc into CB to replace VvD/Gomez/Matip, they do not have the pace/positioning/ability to play the high line, teams like Chelsea & Fulham are exploiting this, while we have these injuries. We need to play to suit the players we have, so drop the defense back abit, so we do not have a huge space behind Phillips that the opposition can exploit, RB today was a joke with Fulham playing behind Neco & Phillips.

Watching the interviews of opposing managers, they all know this, play it into space/behind Liverpool defence and you will turn them around and create chances, they have all said this on TV before games, we need to adjust our formation and drop the defence back abit from the highline.

We are going behind in games because of this, we need to be more solid IMO, dog out a few games, go into games not wanting to lose, not trying to win by a few goals, our confidence is shot, so as soon as we go behind, it's game over as the team lose ideas and confidence, heads go down, we need to get confidence by becoming more solid, try 442 and make the MF more solid, giving cover to the defence, like when Klopp first took over and we were leaking goals.

I now believe Klopp is suffering emotionally from the loss of his Mother and not having the time to grieve. He has had to stay in the UK through all of it missing his Mother's funeral.
Yes we've been dealt some wretched luck with injuries BUT the dynamic of our team has evaporated. Klopp keeps juggling players around, appearing not to know his best options / tactics available for each game. I believe his judgement is impaired at the moment.

I'm going to suggest something controversial here and suggest that our Owners give Klopp a temporary leave of absence until preseason. Bring Rafa Benitez back (he left China in January over concerns for his Family's wellbeing from COVID) to try and steady the ship in Klopp's absence.

Giving Klopp time off to go back to Germany to allow him to grieve and see his family, will be better for us in the long run.

Allowing him to carry on this season with us will inevitably lead to a tough decision by the Owners. We are in a results business and if we carry on in this vain it will leave the Owners with no other option but to terminate Klopp's contract.

Bring Rafa back to steady us and give us a fresh perspective. Klopp no doubt will still have some input, however I believe we will be better for it next season. Rafa can solidify the defensive side of the team and root out weak parts of our play. It should lead to getting rid of deadwood that have no place in the squad.

Having Klopp back in a better mental state of mind can only benefit LFC longterm. If Rafa does well, we can offer him an Ambassador / Consultant role at the club.