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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
This pandemic has proved football needs crowds I can never see the day when football is played online if it is then there is no need for a stadium at all. If football ever goes online in an indoor gym I want nothing to do with it anyway


I never said football will be only on line, we will have a 65k stadium rather sooner than later, is that not enough to make noise?

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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I don't think there are many clubs around who's owners are in it because they love the club. That's an unfortunate circumstance but I believe it to be the case in almost all clubs. The owners are there to either make money or gain political influence in the world. I am sure that Man City's owners are in it mainly to gain influence.


True but some have more assets and risk appetite than others


Risk appetite? Neither City nor Chelsea owner built a new stadium despite their assets, Spurs did one on debt because they couldn't increase the capacity of WHL, they didnt really have a choice, same for Arsenal, Everton is building a stadium which will have less seats than Anfield , so appetite for what exactly? Do you think sponsors will pay more to advertise in Everton's new stadium or the history of Anfield?

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Ninja Skrtel
I don't think there are many clubs around who's owners are in it because they love the club. That's an unfortunate circumstance but I believe it to be the case in almost all clubs. The owners are there to either make money or gain political influence in the world. I am sure that Man City's owners are in it mainly to gain influence.


True but some have more assets and risk appetite than others


Risk appetite? Neither City nor Chelsea owner built a new stadium despite their assets, Spurs did one on debt because they couldn't increase the capacity of WHL, they didnt really have a choice, same for Arsenal, Everton is building a stadium which will have less seats than Anfield , so appetite for what exactly? Do you think sponsors will pay more to advertise in Everton's new stadium or the history of Anfield?


Teams fear coming to Anfield, there is the famous quote from Wenger where he said coming to Anfield was the hardest. If we can extend Anfield as we have/will and keep the atmosphere, that is the best option for me, look at the Arsenal & City grounds which have poor atmospheres, but are nice, shiny & new with no soul.

That's even without considering the debt we would need to take on to build a new stadium in the current climate, look how Tottenham are struggling needing more loans and warnings on losses.

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Tottenham may be struggling with debts but as I said before this is not about the now it's about the long term. There is a reason Tottenham and other clubs are building modern stadia . A long term that won't be if concern to me personally

So this is not about me it's about the generations to come and a converted old statdium won't cut the mustard sadly and there will come a point in the future when Liverpool FC will start to pay the price.

Everton could well overtake us in the future. It's not about seats and it's about infrastructure and capacity to adapt to change. We are locked in an old stadium forever

However what do I care ? None of this will affect me I will enjoy the now and stuff future generations of fans


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Tottenham may be struggling with debts but as I said before this is not about the now it's about the long term. There is a reason Tottenham and other clubs are building modern stadia . A long term that won't be if concern to me personally

So this is not about me it's about the generations to come and a converted old statdium won't cut the mustard sadly and there will come a point in the future when Liverpool FC will start to pay the price.

Everton could well overtake us in the future. It's not about seats and it's about infrastructure and capacity to adapt to change. We are locked in an old stadium forever

However what do I care ? None of this will affect me I will enjoy the now and stuff future generations of fans


The clubs in London tend to have a more compelling business case for new expanded stadia, they have a allot more tourism which they can attract to match day crowds, also, they have the business demand/infrastructure so the stadia can be used for business conferences/meetings etc, Music Concerts etc, bringing in extra revenue.

Stadiums like Highbury & White Hart Lane could not be expanded, as they did not have space to expand into being in the middle of built-up communities, so they had no option but to move to remain competitive, they could also sell their old sites for huge sums due to the price of housing/land un London.

We have been able to expand Anfield by buying the old run down housing surrounding and developing the stadium.

I still think that was the best way to go to keep us competitive on & off the pitch, as we have seen, we cannot raise ticket prices significantly to bring in extra revenue, they can do this in London and people will pay, it is just a different economic model.

If we would have built a new Stadium 5 years ago, I doubt we would have won the CL & PL, as we would not have had the funds to buy/pay the likes of VvD, Alisson, Fab & Salah (to name a few).

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Tottenham may be struggling with debts but as I said before this is not about the now it's about the long term. There is a reason Tottenham and other clubs are building modern stadia . A long term that won't be if concern to me personally

So this is not about me it's about the generations to come and a converted old statdium won't cut the mustard sadly and there will come a point in the future when Liverpool FC will start to pay the price.

Everton could well overtake us in the future. It's not about seats and it's about infrastructure and capacity to adapt to change. We are locked in an old stadium forever

However what do I care ? None of this will affect me I will enjoy the now and stuff future generations of fans


The clubs in London tend to have a more compelling business case for new expanded stadia, they have a allot more tourism which they can attract to match day crowds, also, they have the business demand/infrastructure so the stadia can be used for business conferences/meetings etc, Music Concerts etc, bringing in extra revenue.

Stadiums like Highbury & White Hart Lane could not be expanded, as they did not have space to expand into being in the middle of built-up communities, so they had no option but to move to remain competitive, they could also sell their old sites for huge sums due to the price of housing/land un London.

We have been able to expand Anfield by buying the old run down housing surrounding and developing the stadium.

I still think that was the best way to go to keep us competitive on & off the pitch, as we have seen, we cannot raise ticket prices significantly to bring in extra revenue, they can do this in London and people will pay, it is just a different economic model.

If we would have built a new Stadium 5 years ago, I doubt we would have won the CL & PL, as we would not have had the funds to buy/pay the likes of VvD, Alisson, Fab & Salah (to name a few).


Agree, as an example we just need to see what has happened to Arsenal since they built their stadium, and with their best ever manager, Wenger

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These days I don't think London is a different model Manchester is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Go to Manchester and have a look. That spans the whole of the north west region warrington halfway between the two is due to be a city next few years.

Everton seem to share my view are their board of directors and business advisers idiots ? I think not.

Short term yes save money on the ground spend it on players but neglect the long term and sooner or later you will be found out. However FSG will be long gone by then and probably so will I


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
These days I don't think London is a different model Manchester is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Go to Manchester and have a look. That spans the whole of the north west region warrington halfway between the two is due to be a city next few years.

Everton seem to share my view are their board of directors and business advisers idiots ? I think not.

Short term yes save money on the ground spend it on players but neglect the long term and sooner or later you will be found out. However FSG will be long gone by then and probably so will I



But Goodison Park has less than 40k seat capacity and they probably cannot expand, so they have no choice. That said, their owners look to have more to offer than FSG in terms of investment, though that's not very difficult

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
These days I don't think London is a different model Manchester is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Go to Manchester and have a look. That spans the whole of the north west region warrington halfway between the two is due to be a city next few years.

Everton seem to share my view are their board of directors and business advisers idiots ? I think not.

Short term yes save money on the ground spend it on players but neglect the long term and sooner or later you will be found out. However FSG will be long gone by then and probably so will I



But Goodison Park has less than 40k seat capacity and they probably cannot expand, so they have no choice. That said, their owners look to have more to offer than FSG in terms of investment, though that's not very difficult


Everton are looking long term and their site on the waterfront is very impressive indeed. Lets all hope I am wrong and a decent stadium does not matter


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
These days I don't think London is a different model Manchester is one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Go to Manchester and have a look. That spans the whole of the north west region warrington halfway between the two is due to be a city next few years.

Everton seem to share my view are their board of directors and business advisers idiots ? I think not.

Short term yes save money on the ground spend it on players but neglect the long term and sooner or later you will be found out. However FSG will be long gone by then and probably so will I



I live in Manchester, tourism is nowhere near the footfall of London, Man Utd & Man City were struggling to fill their stadiums pre-Covid and that is without charging anywhere near the numbers the likes of Arsenal or Chelsea do for tickets/season tickets.

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