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I understand the points about not spend spend spend.
However, that's not what is being suggested merely strengthening the team in one or two key places. I do think we need another striker a better option than Orgi
Keita and Minamino coming good (hopefully) will be like new signings also
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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We have bought the Greek lad to play LB. Now to be honest that is too much as a cover player in that specialist position for any team except City. Are we going to see Trent going into midfield in the next 12 months or so?
We were all on about getting so close to the PL this time last season and we bought nobody. That didn't turn out too bad did it?
Klopp has built a squad on discipline and effort. The moment there is any drop off then that player is dealt with and this has happened time after time. Right from the start he has been his own man and anybody who isn't right has been dealt with irrespective of talent. Balotelli, Sakho, Moreno, Flanagan, Can, Coutinho, Buvac, Duncan. Anybody not sharing his vision is gone. Some into absolute oblivion.
We are going to struggle when he is gone because that mentality just cannot be replicated or continued as we know it.
The likes of City and Chelsea can buy success up to a point. At Liverpool you have to earn it and Klopp leads by example. It may be true he wanted Werner but there have been a lot of high profile top targets we have chased who have not turned out to be so great after all. Remember how we were after Nabil Fekir, Thomas Lemar and Nicolas Pepe. All of these very highly linked in the last 2 years. None of them came. None of them would have improved us. Look at where they are now. Fekir would have cost £60m, Lemar £90m and Pepe £70m.
Please think of these players when you see us linked with big money signings. We have "missed the boat" (thank God) on a number of occasions. We have sold at the right time, we have sold several players for ridiculous fees, Coutinho of course but what about the others?
Canos £4.5m, Sakho £26m, Benteke £32m, Ibe £15m, Smith £6m, Solanke £19m, Camacho £7m, Stewart £8m, Ward £12.5m and a fair few others who were not good enough for LFC. Ejaria has just gone to Reading for £3.5m and there are rumours Awoniyi might go to Celtic for £9m.
OK so it's not him that is determining the price of the sales but I am sure he has an idea of a price for a purchase and what is too much to pay for a player within his vision for the team.
It must have been so easy for Pep to have had £200m plus after one season to correct his defence. It hasn't stood the test of time although he has delivered 2 titles in 4 years and for the width of a matchstick it might only have been 1.
So after a CL win it wasn't broke and didn't need fixing.
After a PL win I believe it's not broke and don't need fixing.
But after we win the PL again this coming season we will have the clamour again for splashing the cash.
Give it another go in 12 months guys. You got to be right sometime. Even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.
Oh and somebody has reminded me about Clyne. Another with an alleged minor indiscretion to his name. Klopp & Pep have their ways of dealing with failure and any unprofessional actions and are good man managers. Anybody want to add another player to that list?
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We have bought the Greek lad to play LB. Now to be honest that is too much as a cover player in that specialist position for any team except City. Are we going to see Trent going into midfield in the next 12 months or so?
We were all on about getting so close to the PL this time last season and we bought nobody. That didn't turn out too bad did it?
Klopp has built a squad on discipline and effort. The moment there is any drop off then that player is dealt with and this has happened time after time. Right from the start he has been his own man and anybody who isn't right has been dealt with irrespective of talent. Balotelli, Sakho, Moreno, Flanagan, Can, Coutinho, Buvac, Duncan. Anybody not sharing his vision is gone. Some into absolute oblivion.
We are going to struggle when he is gone because that mentality just cannot be replicated or continued as we know it.
The likes of City and Chelsea can buy success up to a point. At Liverpool you have to earn it and Klopp leads by example. It may be true he wanted Werner but there have been a lot of high profile top targets we have chased who have not turned out to be so great after all. Remember how we were after Nabil Fekir, Thomas Lemar and Nicolas Pepe. All of these very highly linked in the last 2 years. None of them came. None of them would have improved us. Look at where they are now. Fekir would have cost £60m, Lemar £90m and Pepe £70m.
Please think of these players when you see us linked with big money signings. We have "missed the boat" (thank God) on a number of occasions. We have sold at the right time, we have sold several players for ridiculous fees, Coutinho of course but what about the others?
Canos £4.5m, Sakho £26m, Benteke £32m, Ibe £15m, Smith £6m, Solanke £19m, Camacho £7m, Stewart £8m, Ward £12.5m and a fair few others who were not good enough for LFC. Ejaria has just gone to Reading for £3.5m and there are rumours Awoniyi might go to Celtic for £9m.
OK so it's not him that is determining the price of the sales but I am sure he has an idea of a price for a purchase and what is too much to pay for a player within his vision for the team.
It must have been so easy for Pep to have had £200m plus after one season to correct his defence. It hasn't stood the test of time although he has delivered 2 titles in 4 years and for the width of a matchstick it might only have been 1.
So after a CL win it wasn't broke and didn't need fixing.
After a PL win I believe it's not broke and don't need fixing.
But after we win the PL again this coming season we will have the clamour again for splashing the cash.
Give it another go in 12 months guys. You got to be right sometime. Even a broken clock gives the right time twice a day.
Oh and somebody has reminded me about Clyne. Another with an alleged minor indiscretion to his name. Klopp & Pep have their ways of dealing with failure and any unprofessional actions and are good man managers. Anybody want to add another player to that list? i can understand the prudence on spending but not liking it one bit.
i can see Sarr and Thiago coming in with Shaq, Wilson, Grujic, Gigi and even Origi moving out.
actually CB is quite a worry if any one of VvD or Gomez gets injured. Yeah the CB back up is a worry. It's not just the injury situation but you have to rest these players too. We have just had a stop start season and in 2 weeks time we are into a condensed PL season starting later and CL games not beginning until October. With the Maguire situation we are now very likely to see Gomez starting and completing both games for England before we play Leeds. Don't be surprised to see Fabinho deployed at CB in our first PL game. It is difficult to get the right player at the right price but we have 5 weeks left in this window. Maguire being a tw@t may have inadvertently made the job harder for Michael Edwards to work his magic.
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i can understand the prudence on spending but not liking it one bit.
i can see Sarr and Thiago coming in with Shaq, Wilson, Grujic, Gigi and even Origi moving out.
actually CB is quite a worry if any one of VvD or Gomez gets injured. I would be very surprised if we signed Sarr without selling one of Mane and Salah. If I had to choose between those 2, I would sell Salah
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i can understand the prudence on spending but not liking it one bit.
i can see Sarr and Thiago coming in with Shaq, Wilson, Grujic, Gigi and even Origi moving out.
actually CB is quite a worry if any one of VvD or Gomez gets injured. I would be very surprised if we signed Sarr without selling one of Mane and Salah. If I had to choose between those 2, I would sell Salah I agree, we won't make a big signing unless a big name is sold, so a like for like replacement, but we must be confident that Salah, Mane or Bobby will not leave, or we would have bought Werner I think, as he was the 'cheapest' of the replacements, as Sancho & Havertz are around £100 million.
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yes but Sarr would not be in the "big signing" category. sales of a 2 or 3 within the origi, shaq, grujic and wilson group should fund it.
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i can understand the prudence on spending but not liking it one bit.
i can see Sarr and Thiago coming in with Shaq, Wilson, Grujic, Gigi and even Origi moving out.
actually CB is quite a worry if any one of VvD or Gomez gets injured. I would be very surprised if we signed Sarr without selling one of Mane and Salah. If I had to choose between those 2, I would sell Salah I agree, we won't make a big signing unless a big name is sold, so a like for like replacement, but we must be confident that Salah, Mane or Bobby will not leave, or we would have bought Werner I think, as he was the 'cheapest' of the replacements, as Sancho & Havertz are around £100 million. I think that the plan was to buy Werner at the bargain of 50m then sell one of Salah or Mane. However, we were not sure of the market with the Covid situation and decided to wait and see and we are still waiting and seeing. Anyway I am ready to see how we perform without any proper reinforcement, I dont think anybody expected us to be Champions that fast since Klopp's arrival, so we already got what we wanted anything else would be the cherry on the cake with our owners.
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Klopp did say we'd be Champions within 5 years and it has been 5 years so this was the aim which came to fruition.
I agree about Werner, if you study our history under FSG, making that sort of acquisition has always entailed a star player being sold first for huge profit.
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Klopp did say we'd be Champions within 5 years and it has been 5 years so this was the aim which came to fruition.
I agree about Werner, if you study our history under FSG, making that sort of acquisition has always entailed a star player being sold first for huge profit.
Yes Klopp said that but who believed him?
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Klopp did say we'd be Champions within 5 years and it has been 5 years so this was the aim which came to fruition.
I agree about Werner, if you study our history under FSG, making that sort of acquisition has always entailed a star player being sold first for huge profit.
Yes Klopp said that but who believed him? Lots of managers have said similar and not delivered, I guess it's easy, as they know if they get 5 years it's a good stint anyway at a top club, imagine what the fans would say if a new manager came in and said we were 10 years from winning a title ! At the point Klopp took over, I think most fans (me included) doubted we would get the PL within 5 years, as the club was in disarray, losing star players like Suarez & Sterling, retiring Stalwarts like Carra & Gerrard, with the emergence of Man City as the expected Powerhouse to take over football for the next decade.
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